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Poll: Does free will exist?
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No, I'm a hard determinist.
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Free Will
RE: Free Will
(September 1, 2016 at 12:33 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Saying "Your brain experiences qualia because it's a super-special machine, unlike all those simpler machines you listed" doesn't really explain how/why qualia would add anything to any physical mechanism.
I didn't say anything of the sort..I only acknowledge that your computer and your car aren't human.  OFC your computer can do what it does without qualia, your car can do what it does without qualia.  Can you?  Even if you could...imagine, say, that you are surrounded by beings that do not experience qualia...can you not see why you might have an advantage over them?  How this wonderfully "full" experience confers benefits?

Quote:Of course I do, because my existence is defined by my experiencing qualia.  If nothing else, that's what I am: a qualia experiencer.  But you are conflating me the subjective agent and me the physical mechanism-- maybe they are the same, but conflating them in this way begs the question.
I don't think we're having the same discussion.  I'm trying to express what functions qualia provides in human beings...why it would be advantageous for us to experience qualia, and how natural selection acts upon creatures -with- qualia. That you are the physical mechanism is simply a consequence of how I would explain qualia. You may not be, but you could be, and it's the explanation that fits currently available evidence. Whether or not you are is irrelevant to whether or not ns would or could select for whatever it is, whatever you are. However this "x" presents itself....whatever it is and whatever allows for it......it's advantages seem..to me...to be a whole lot clearer than your questions (and yoos questions) would imply. This qualia that you have of say..."love"... compels you, deeply...to do things which would directly affect both your survival, your mate's survival, and the survival of your offspring... that's just for starters....but in itself is enough to answer the question of what it brings us.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 19, 2016 at 10:35 am
RE: Free Will - by Jesster - August 19, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Free Will - by RozKek - August 21, 2016 at 4:20 am
RE: Free Will - by Jesster - August 21, 2016 at 4:26 am
RE: Free Will - by RozKek - August 21, 2016 at 4:33 am
RE: Free Will - by rado84 - August 19, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Free Will - by purplepurpose - August 19, 2016 at 10:58 am
RE: Free Will - by FatAndFaithless - August 19, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: Free Will - by Sterben - August 19, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 20, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: Free Will - by ScienceAf - August 20, 2016 at 11:30 pm
RE: Free Will - by RozKek - August 21, 2016 at 3:59 am
RE: Free Will - by Whateverist - August 20, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 20, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Free Will - by Whateverist - August 20, 2016 at 10:08 pm
RE: Free Will - by Jesster - August 20, 2016 at 10:15 pm
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 20, 2016 at 10:46 pm
RE: Free Will - by Jesster - August 20, 2016 at 10:52 pm
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 20, 2016 at 11:17 pm
RE: Free Will - by Jesster - August 20, 2016 at 11:20 pm
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 20, 2016 at 11:48 pm
RE: Free Will - by ScienceAf - August 21, 2016 at 12:04 am
RE: Free Will - by fdesilva - August 21, 2016 at 12:32 am
RE: Free Will - by ScienceAf - August 21, 2016 at 12:41 am
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 12:46 am
RE: Free Will - by ScienceAf - August 21, 2016 at 12:53 am
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 12:56 am
RE: Free Will - by ScienceAf - August 21, 2016 at 1:00 am
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 1:13 am
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 20, 2016 at 8:40 pm
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 20, 2016 at 11:38 pm
RE: Free Will - by Gemini - August 21, 2016 at 6:04 am
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 20, 2016 at 11:48 pm
RE: Free Will - by Foxaèr - August 21, 2016 at 12:06 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 12:50 am
RE: Free Will - by Foxaèr - August 21, 2016 at 12:52 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 12:52 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 6:14 am
RE: Free Will - by Gemini - August 21, 2016 at 6:22 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 7:33 am
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 6:24 am
RE: Free Will - by Grandizer - August 21, 2016 at 6:31 am
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 6:58 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 9:57 am
RE: Free Will - by Grandizer - August 21, 2016 at 10:16 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Free Will - by Grandizer - August 21, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 10:55 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Free Will - by RozKek - August 21, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: Free Will - by Whateverist - August 21, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2016 at 1:35 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 1:58 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2016 at 1:58 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 2:01 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2016 at 2:07 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 2:20 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 2:20 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 2:35 pm
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 2:26 pm
RE: Free Will - by Excited Penguin - August 21, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Free Will - by Arkilogue - August 21, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2016 at 2:35 pm
Free Will - by LadyForCamus - August 21, 2016 at 8:24 pm
RE: Free Will - by Gemini - August 22, 2016 at 7:19 am
RE: Free Will - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 21, 2016 at 8:32 pm
RE: Free Will - by Whateverist - August 30, 2016 at 7:05 pm
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2016 at 7:33 am
RE: Free Will - by Edwardo Piet - August 22, 2016 at 7:33 am
RE: Free Will - by Panatheist - August 30, 2016 at 6:59 pm
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - August 30, 2016 at 7:08 pm
RE: Free Will - by Panatheist - August 31, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 5:28 am
RE: Free Will - by Panatheist - September 1, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 8:03 am
RE: Free Will - by Panatheist - September 1, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 10:09 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 8:02 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 8:36 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 9:11 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 9:39 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2016 at 7:20 pm
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - August 30, 2016 at 7:27 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 9:26 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 10:02 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 9:45 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 9:58 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:02 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 10:12 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:10 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:14 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 10:21 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:24 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 10:35 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 10:37 am
RE: Free Will - by Angrboda - September 1, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:33 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:35 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:37 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:46 am
RE: Free Will - by bennyboy - September 1, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Free Will - by Yoo - September 1, 2016 at 10:55 am
RE: Free Will - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2016 at 12:36 pm



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