Do you believe in free will?

[Flobee]

Do we have no more control over ourselves then a rock does when falling down a hill, or a computer governed completely by our programming?

Well, you have your mind, of course. I would hope that means something to you. Rocks and computers aren't quite analogous to the human mind, or for that matter, any other intelligent species in the animal kingdom.

According to your world view rocks and computers are quite analogous to the human mind because they are all the product of unintelligent physical laws governing matter actually. It is atheist scientists like Steven Pinker who are the ones that compare the human person to a computer not me.

You say above that free will is our own and not given to us by God. I'd like to know how you can prove that and demonstrate how in a purely naturalistic universe unintelligent forces can combine unconscious matter to somehow create consciousness and a free will that stands apart from such matter.

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you're just another presuppositional apologist who has stumbled onto an atheist forum.

Such people argue from the presupposition of the existence of God,and are not willing to consider the possibility of error although they have no evidence for their position.

Boy you sound just like another prepositional naturalist who argues from the belief that only the natural world exists and your not willing to consider the possibility of anything more even though there has yet to be a naturalistic explanation for the big bang, fine tuning, the origins of life, consciousness, the moral law, rationality, or free will.

One cannot use reason to discuss beliefs/views in which reason plays no part in forming or in maintaining.

Show me one way that my beliefs are not reasonable. Good job at avoiding everyone of my arguments in response to your original statement by the way.

You know you guys really aren't arguing against me you are arguing against leading atheists such as Francis Crick, E.O. Wilson, Will Provine, Susan Blackmore and many others who all state that atheism is simply incompatible with free will. I believe in free will just as all of you seem to be saying that you do, however if you think through what naturalism really means and if you read the works of your own atheist philosophers and scientists, a few of whom I have named above, you find that they disagree with you.

If you think you can prove them wrong and somehow show how it is possible to have things such as consciousness, rationality, absolute objective morality, and free will while still maintaining your belief in a purely naturalistic universe then I would be glad to hear what you have to say. If not I suggest you either come to the natural consequences of your belief system like those people above have done, or you continue believing in free will and consciousness and absolute objective morality and you embrace a world view that does not eliminate forces beyond mere matter which can actually explain such phenomenons.