Christians: A Question

[Shell B]

Quote:In what reality do you work this out?! Of course it was a willing sacrifice.

Oh my fucking goodness, Frodo. I realize that the belief is that it was a willing sacrifice. I never said that it wasn't.

Quote:Jesus knew that it was going to happen and willingly put himself in the line of fire to fully accept his destiny ....is the biblical story.

I fucking know!

Quote:Gods plan was to make the perfect sacrifice so that people could shed their limiting guilt and be close to God. Like God, & fully realised human beings.

I fucking know that too.

Quote:Never ever is God unwilling in this. It's not debateable. It's something literally and clearly stated. For any person claiming to follow the biblical Christ this is accepted.

Except by Chipan, hence the reason for this thread. He is saying it was not a sacrifice. I'm not saying this stuff, Frodo. I am asking it to clear up a bullshit claim that all of you believe it was not a sacrifice.

Quote:Option one is most correct... apart from that glaring flaw. Option two says it wasn't a sacrifice. Your statements are contradictory, and not the belief that you are trying to understand. The confusion is all yours.

Argh. The first one is not flawed. I simply did not mention the willingness as it was not pertinent to the conclusion. In the second option, the willingness led Chipan to say it was not a sacrifice. That is why the option is there. I am not fucking confused about it, Frodo. I am trying to clear up the confusion among you people so I don't feel compelled to write you all off as contradictory nitwits. If you would like me to fail in that endeavor, please continue being even more elusive and confusing.