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Skeptics I no longer have any respect for.
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RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for.
(January 5, 2012 at 12:29 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: *I* think it's morally wrong,

That right there should give you pause - you're equating morality with your own subjective opinions, you should really be saying "I don't like this" rather than "It's morally wrong", the latter has a is much less concise and carries many assumptions in conversation when you could be more effective in being clear that you are stating your own values.

Quote:and I never said it was some objective measure, to decide you're not going to trade with someone simply because you disagree with them. But it's his business. That's just my internal opinion. Excuse me if the language I typed out led you to believe otherwise. I'm allowed to think he's a cock for doing it, and so is PZ, and I'm allowed to think PZ is an asswipe for not forgiving him on even a basic level.

Well sure, I agree with all of that, but there is certainly no "moral" aspect to any of it.

Quote:None of those people were causing him any harm, or his customers, or his business. His reaction was out of prejudice and disrespectful towards another human being for an utterly irrational reason.

Agreed.

Quote:My morals call for compassion, empathy and forgiveness - my subjective moral code. "Getting along" benefits humanity - I consider that justification enough - and you don't have to necessarily agree with a person to do it.

Getting along is indeed good for humanity in general (with the exception of some people really "getting along" and giving each other STDs Tongue), but does it really make any sense to say, even subjectively, that "not getting along" is morally bad? To me it is in and of it's self entirely amoral, you'd need a much more extreme instance of "not getting along", like aggravated assault, before you reached any territory that it would be sufficient for it to be claimed a "moral wrong".

Quote:Silly, because it's a gelato store, but if it were a privately owned hospital? You turn people away because it's your establishment and you happen to disagree with them on some point? I find that repugnant.

Sure, but that still doesn't make it morally wrong. They are not doing harm, they are not violating the rights of others, all they are doing is refusing an interaction - while that sort of behaviour gives us reason to condemn and shame people who do such things in an attempt to change the values and attitudes of people (or to make them realise that their lack of cooperation can undermine their other values) in an attempt to create an environment more conductive to our own values, it does not give us any moral authority to punish.
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Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 3, 2012 at 12:32 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Violet - January 10, 2012 at 9:11 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Jaysyn - January 5, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 3, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 3, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Erinome - January 3, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by theVOID - January 4, 2012 at 10:54 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 4, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 4, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 4, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 4, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 5, 2012 at 4:41 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by theVOID - January 5, 2012 at 1:03 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 5, 2012 at 10:17 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 5, 2012 at 8:07 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 2:15 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 8:43 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 8, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 1:07 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 6, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 10:52 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 6, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 10, 2012 at 3:14 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 10, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 10, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by theVOID - January 11, 2012 at 2:41 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 10, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 11, 2012 at 3:19 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 11, 2012 at 5:51 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by theVOID - January 11, 2012 at 6:55 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 11, 2012 at 1:51 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by frankiej - January 11, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by frankiej - January 11, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by theVOID - January 12, 2012 at 3:40 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 12, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 16, 2012 at 8:37 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by NoMoreFaith - February 16, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Sciwoman - February 18, 2012 at 8:18 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Sciwoman - February 19, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by JollyForr - February 16, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 16, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 16, 2012 at 9:47 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 16, 2012 at 10:05 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by JollyForr - February 16, 2012 at 11:43 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 16, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tempus - February 16, 2012 at 1:58 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 16, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by JollyForr - February 16, 2012 at 2:27 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tempus - February 16, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by JollyForr - February 16, 2012 at 6:46 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tempus - February 17, 2012 at 4:46 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 16, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 16, 2012 at 5:15 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 17, 2012 at 2:34 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 17, 2012 at 5:35 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 17, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 17, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tempus - February 17, 2012 at 6:09 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 17, 2012 at 6:15 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 17, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 17, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 17, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 17, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 19, 2012 at 7:33 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Cosmic Ape - February 19, 2012 at 12:30 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Sciwoman - February 19, 2012 at 2:11 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 19, 2012 at 2:42 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 19, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 19, 2012 at 5:03 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 6:51 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 7:11 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 7:27 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 7:37 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 19, 2012 at 7:42 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 8:05 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 8:17 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 8:21 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 8:50 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by NoMoreFaith - February 20, 2012 at 10:32 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 8:51 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 9:00 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 9:42 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 9:57 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 10:05 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 10:13 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 10:18 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 10:35 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 20, 2012 at 10:44 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by NoMoreFaith - February 20, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 20, 2012 at 10:51 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 20, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by padraic - February 20, 2012 at 7:49 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 8:42 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 9:34 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 9:42 pm

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