Most people were perfectly fine with her before Elevatorgate. It just feels like she's turned it into a McCarthy hearing when it comes to the men in the skeptic movement. A lot of the Skepchicks have burned one guy or another. Brian Dunning got flamed as well. DJ Groethe's dealing with it. It's pretty awful.
I tried to explain to a male friend last night who was on Rebecca's side that the problem is that feminism is filled with ideals and is an ideology. It is NOT skepticism. Skepticism and ideologies DO NOT mix well. So to be a feminist skeptic is to risk having one portion of yourself or the other being trampled on. If you really pride yourself on being rational, you stop and take a breather and re-group. If you just want to shout about how retarded everyone else is and claim they're being sexist...
It doesn't help that people have a habit of not reading what's actually in the post. Or asking someone to clarify what they meant.
Ben posted the link to his original article on his FB page and we had an interesting discussion - and I do mean discussion, there was no name-calling or insulting, just sharing anecdotes and statistical information and opinions - about it that included some pretty staunch disagreement. So where was it necessary to decide suddenly that he was an asshole instead of clarifying what he was after?
This is what Phil Plait was talking about when he gave his "Don't Be a Dick" speech, which ALSO turned into a shitshow.
I tried to explain to a male friend last night who was on Rebecca's side that the problem is that feminism is filled with ideals and is an ideology. It is NOT skepticism. Skepticism and ideologies DO NOT mix well. So to be a feminist skeptic is to risk having one portion of yourself or the other being trampled on. If you really pride yourself on being rational, you stop and take a breather and re-group. If you just want to shout about how retarded everyone else is and claim they're being sexist...
It doesn't help that people have a habit of not reading what's actually in the post. Or asking someone to clarify what they meant.
Ben posted the link to his original article on his FB page and we had an interesting discussion - and I do mean discussion, there was no name-calling or insulting, just sharing anecdotes and statistical information and opinions - about it that included some pretty staunch disagreement. So where was it necessary to decide suddenly that he was an asshole instead of clarifying what he was after?
This is what Phil Plait was talking about when he gave his "Don't Be a Dick" speech, which ALSO turned into a shitshow.
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