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Skeptics I no longer have any respect for.
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RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for.
(January 3, 2012 at 3:27 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: My wife talked to me about this case and helped me to understand it. She managed to do it in a way that didn't sound like male bashing. I'm going to try to pass it on.

Women are terrified of being raped, stalked or sexually harassed. This is not just hypersensitivity but due to a very real danger. I've heard various statistics that suggest about 1 in 4 will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime. A wary woman does well to be suspicious of a male stranger that approaches her in a confined area.

I don't appreciate that blanket. Being stalked is scary, but it is not knowing what the stalker plans on doing that is most terrifying for me. For me... being sexually harassed is enraging, but not scary unless there is implied physical threat behind the words or touching. And for me... rape is numbing, will-shattering, painful, traumatizing... and yes, terrifying. Most, many, some fraction... these are the words that should have started that.

But I am not afraid of being raped simply to be alone and near a stranger (male or female). There is not a very real danger of any man raping someone (nor is there of any woman doing so). If someone makes you uncomfortable: fine, leave. Immediately being uncomfortable upon being alone with a man? You have as many issues as someone being instantly uncomfortable with a black person. And I will not respect that. Because at that point you are not being wary: you are being sexist. I don't give that the honor of calling it 'hypersensitive'.

1/4 of women may be sexually assaulted in their lifetime... I don't have any evidence to the contrary and I'm not going to argue it. But it is very unlikely that they will be sexually assaulted by a stranger. Boyfriends, husbands, fathers, uncles, grandfathers, great uncles, family friends, (insert similar but female), cousins, friends... these are the people who spend the most time with a woman, who have the most chances to catch her alone, who have the most power over her. A wary woman isn't one who is suspicious of anyone... she is the woman who is suspicious of what she sees that gives her cause for doubt. Mind... not even the wariest of women can catch everything.

Quote:For men, this is a difficult fear to fully understand, since we're not as physically vulnerable to being raped. An invitation to coffee seems innocent enough, right? What we don't realize is that from the woman's perspective, every male stranger is a potential attacker. He asked her in a confined space. She had nowhere to run. His intentions may have been innocent but he may have unwittingly creeped her out just from the circumstances. Also, his invitation to HIS ROOM rather than a public area like the hotel was another source of creepyness.

True, you're not necessarily as vulnerable to it... but you probably still have a mouth and anus, you have weight and a body that can be forced about, you have hands that can be made to work to someone else's end. Some men are transmen, but I'll intentionally ignore that exception for now. And shame, numbness, weakness, and submissiveness can likely all be evoked from someone who is being raped, rendering all the muscles in the world worthless for a time.

One is not protected from being raped just because they lack one body part and a (fair) bit more muscle. Not even close to 'safe', though they're usually 'safe-r' for it i(because most men appear to be heterosexual, and rape is necessarily sexual in intent). What you don't seem to realize (and I'm trying to help you with that) is that being a woman does not instantly make a girl scared of men they don't know. Sure... many women might hold such a sexist fear, maybe even most do... but not all.

Whatever happened between that woman and that man I do not know. Maybe he's some crazy pervert creeper... maybe he's a misunderstood thoughtful guy... I can't say. I've not heard what he said, and I've not seen the state she was in at the time, and I was never there and never will be. There still is no excuse to rant about a guy in an elevator unless he actually did something (which neither she nor he say he did).

Quote:For men, it's important to realize this fear exists and to always make sure when we approach a woman that she's not in a confined space or in any other situation where she feels like she can't say "no" with no consequences.

For women, please understand our difficulty to understand your legitimate fears. You will do better to calmly explain them in the way I just have rather than just assume we're insensitive jerks.

There are always consequences to 'no'. And there are always consequences to 'yes'. Consequence is not an inherently negative being... but as nonpedantic as I can be: in general I agree with the message of: don't be an asshole... think a little before you speak. Far more effective a message, I believe, than 'fear all men for they are the mighty rapist'! Wink

I'm certainly not about to call you insensitive, or a jerk. I have done things like that in the past, and I'm not proud of it. Not that I will or have changed, but I don't make it a habit of mine.
(January 6, 2012 at 1:02 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I honestly think I should create an online female persona and start an atheist feminist blog, just to see how many mindless drones I can get following me.

Just remember: nothing is too extreme Wink

You'll never get followers being a moderate Undecided
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 3, 2012 at 12:32 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Violet - January 10, 2012 at 9:11 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Jaysyn - January 5, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 3, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 3, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Erinome - January 3, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by theVOID - January 4, 2012 at 10:54 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 4, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 4, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 4, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 4, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 5, 2012 at 4:41 am
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RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 2:15 am
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RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 6, 2012 at 1:07 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 6, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 10:52 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 6, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 10, 2012 at 3:14 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 10, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 10, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by theVOID - January 11, 2012 at 2:41 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 10, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 11, 2012 at 3:19 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - January 11, 2012 at 5:51 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by theVOID - January 11, 2012 at 6:55 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - January 11, 2012 at 1:51 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by frankiej - January 11, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by frankiej - January 11, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by theVOID - January 12, 2012 at 3:40 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by fr0d0 - January 12, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 16, 2012 at 8:37 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by NoMoreFaith - February 16, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Sciwoman - February 18, 2012 at 8:18 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Sciwoman - February 19, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by JollyForr - February 16, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 16, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 16, 2012 at 9:47 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 16, 2012 at 10:05 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by JollyForr - February 16, 2012 at 11:43 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 16, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tempus - February 16, 2012 at 1:58 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 16, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by JollyForr - February 16, 2012 at 2:27 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tempus - February 16, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by JollyForr - February 16, 2012 at 6:46 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tempus - February 17, 2012 at 4:46 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 16, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 16, 2012 at 5:15 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 17, 2012 at 2:34 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 17, 2012 at 5:35 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 17, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 17, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tempus - February 17, 2012 at 6:09 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 17, 2012 at 6:15 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 17, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 17, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 17, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 17, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 19, 2012 at 7:33 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Cosmic Ape - February 19, 2012 at 12:30 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Sciwoman - February 19, 2012 at 2:11 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 19, 2012 at 2:42 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 19, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 19, 2012 at 5:03 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 6:51 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 7:11 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 7:27 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 7:37 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 19, 2012 at 7:42 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 8:05 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 8:17 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 8:21 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 8:50 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by NoMoreFaith - February 20, 2012 at 10:32 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 8:51 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 9:00 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Reforged - February 19, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 9:42 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 9:57 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 10:05 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 10:13 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 10:18 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 19, 2012 at 10:35 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 20, 2012 at 10:44 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by NoMoreFaith - February 20, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by leo-rcc - February 20, 2012 at 10:51 am
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Tiberius - February 20, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by padraic - February 20, 2012 at 7:49 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 8:42 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 9:34 pm
RE: Skeptics I no longer have any respect for. - by Shell B - February 20, 2012 at 9:42 pm

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