Skeptics I no longer have any respect for.

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Exactly my point as well. Private schools, or to be more specific to this particular discussion, private FAITH schools are not part of the education system and promote isolationism which is detrimental to society as a whole.

You'll have to demonstrate how an isolated school promotes isolationism as a whole and how it hurts society for me to accept that argument. School is not life.

Indoctrination at home may also do this, but a parent does NOT have the right to hide the world from their child. Thats intellectual abuse. At least given a non-faith specific education outside the home a child is at least exposed to alternative views.

To an extent, it is neglect. However, I know that some private schools compete in sports against public schools, children still have to go to other events, etc.

Who said anything about bias in favour of atheism.

If you do not allow religious teaching in private school, you are biasing toward atheism by default.

Lack of belief in a God is irrelevant to this discussion. I'm talking about inclusivity vs isolationism.

It's not irrelevant. It is the very reason I support isolationism, though I'm stretching to call it that.

The fact of bringing a child into this world has no bearing on your moral right to dictate who they talk to, and what ideas they are exposed to. Thats abusive imo.

The same could apply to forcing children to be exposed to ideas you would find appalling. That's parenting. You have a right to raise your children as you see fit, barring violence and tangible neglect.

You are mistaking a ban on faith schools, and a ban on the faith itself.

I'm not. I'm sorry if I haven't explained this well enough. Banning anything to do with religion in regard to parents rights is doubly against the Constitution. In that way, I stand by it.

Nobody could possibly BAN a faith a parent wishes to impart upon their child, as much as we may wish to.

Oh, that's not true. Banning other faiths is the very reason we have widespread Christianity. I'm not comfortable with doing anything akin to that.

Using your example of a Hindu child, can you really tell me it is awful for a child to be exposed to the idea that other people have no objection to 'eating cow' as opposed to being kept in a private school which exclusively relates this as a fact. That the rights of a parent not wishing their child to be exposed to 'cow eaters' should supersede the right to an education?

Yes. Children have their entire adult lives to explore. Parents, if they have the child's best interests to the best of their knowledge, at heart, have a right to do as they see fit. Now, private religious schools are there so children can learn religion. It is not to separate children from others, in most cases.

I would never tell a religious child that his parents are wrong about religion.

What is your suggestion to reach that goal?

Well, tolerance. Meetings of minds. Continuing on the same road we are now. It seems bad, but it is much better than it was and it is getting better all of the time.

This is clearly the crux of our ideological difference. Removing your child from society to ensure the indoctrination of your specific views is tantamount to neglect and I could say some even more unkind phrases than that to say the least.

It is their right. That is the bottom line. Whether we like it or not, we cannot have the government dictating this. It would be counterintuitive to our ends.

You seem to believe that the mere fact that bringing a child into this world gives you the complete and utter right to dictate what they think. On that I disagree wholeheartedly.

Why would I believe something so utterly ridiculous. In case you have not noticed, children often think for themselves. It's high time people gave them some credit. An intelligent enough child will reject the lies.

Where precisely does the parental rights end in this view? To exaggerate the point, if a parent has a world view that non-believers are subhuman, and deserve no rights, or should even be put to death, should we ensure the child has no opportunity to mix with those they are supposing to be putting to death?

We persecute them should they attempt to or succeed at putting anyone to death. You cannot persecute ideas. We should do absolutely nothing.

I would even go so far to say that the continued growth of human civilization depends upon being exposed to the views of others. Its the only way you can learn to respect and accept without recourse to hate.

There will never be such a time, in my estimation. There will always be hate.

The more we allow and even encourage isolationism, the more trouble we are heading for imho.

My problem can be summed up in the word "allow." Who are we to disallow?

That sounds wonderful in principle. Perhaps we should stop charging parents with manslaughter when they declare their children shouldn't undergo surgery because it contradicts their belief. Are we not infringing on the parents right to choose for their children then?

That's actual neglect that ends in tangible bodily harm and is distinctly unlawful. It has nothing to do with the separation of church and state.

Ah, hang on, must be a strawman, of course we don't condone the parents right to murder, and physically harm their children(not withstanding the genital mutilations we freely condon). That conflicts with the human right to live.

Correct.

Sorry, that's as far as I am getting right now.