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(6th February 2012 13:19)Zen Badger Wrote: You left out this bit of Matthew

5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

(6th February 2012 14:22)Phil Wrote: Whenever a Christian tries to justify the new covenant they ALWAYS deliberately leave that out of the equation. Now let's hear the mental gymnastics of our resident christoholic so he can justify ignoring those two verses.

Notice the key word there? "Fulfilled"

John 19:28-30

After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

(6th February 2012 15:41)renew Wrote: Easy there BL, your setting yourself above your own God, making yourself a priest and or a Lord. Rember your covenant: no other gods before me, in which Christianity that is quite the magic trick, due to you must go through one god to get to another god, little paganish don't you think.

I showed you where Jesus changed the convenants, and the mosaic laws. Are you mature enough to admit it?

(6th February 2012 15:41)renew Wrote: Hbr 4:9 there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God.

Pretty cut and dry isn't it.

Jesus taught that He is our Sabbath rest.

(6th February 2012 15:41)renew Wrote: Glad you brought this up, so a yes or no question: Blood is the basis for your belief.

No,Jesus is the basis of my belief. He paid for our sins with His blood, and rose from the dead.

(6th February 2012 15:41)renew Wrote: Perhaps this teaching is what has given all your high priest the right to sodomize and rape children.

The catholic church is not christian by any stretch of the imagination.

(6th February 2012 15:41)renew Wrote: Again an ignorant teaching, don't worry honey at least I didn't cheat on you, what a joke.

Your commentary here is bereft of insight.

(6th February 2012 15:41)renew Wrote: The paragraph itself has enough religious platitude in it that perhaps you should be the one asking for my forgiveness.

I have not spoken platitudes, but the words that lead to life.

(6th February 2012 17:07)Mister Agenda Wrote: Welcome, brotherlylove. Sorry I'm late to the thread.

I'm one of those folks who was raised Christian (Pentecostal), read the Bible (KJV) once from devotion and a second time (Living Bible) to make sure I hadn't been confused by the Old English. That didn't make me an atheist (that came years later), but it did make me an agnostic theist. I believed in some sort of a God, but found the thought that the Bible was 'ordained' by a supreme being rather horrifying given the barbarism and primitive tribal morality. Just sharing for background.

Nice to meet you, ex-bro. What led you to be an atheist?

(6th February 2012 17:07)Mister Agenda Wrote: You seem to be making an argument from 'feels good, got good results'. I'm sure you realize that your perceptions are incapable of verifying that any supernatural power you may have been in contact with was in fact the creator God of the Bible. A much lesser spirit would be capable of making you feel loved and awesome and free you from your addictions. It doesn't take the power to turn stars into flamingoes to pull off what you're describing. One could argue that it's achievable by altered brain states, no paranormal invtervention required. It's the one promise any religion can keep: if you believe, then you'll find 'evidence'. However, the nature of true evidence is that it leads someone who is initially skeptical to believe; religion turns it around because it has hit on the technique of getting potential recruits to convert themselves by convincing them that to give whatever religion they're selling a fair chance, they have to try believing it first and then getting the evidence. It's really very brilliant.

The things I listed as evidence are not the basis of my faith. They are simply what got me in the door. God gives me daily revelation. It would take an omnipresent, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being to work what He has wrought in my life. God gives a general revelation in His creation of His eternal power and Godhead, so that everyone is faced with His existence, and a special revelation of His Son Jesus Christ. My faith is based on the tangible and experiential relationship I have with Jesus Christ. That's what Christianity is about. My faith isn't based on feelings; that isn't faith, that is emotionalism. It is based on knowing God personally.

You also seem to indicate that Christianity was invented, like a conspiracy. Even skeptical historians believe that the apostles were convinced that Jesus rose from the dead. Therefore, according to your theory, they would have had to accidently create this ingenuous brainwashing tool that you postulate. Doesn't seem very likely, does it?

(6th February 2012 17:07)Mister Agenda Wrote: So, converts to other religions (not to mention various self-help programs) can make similar claims. Where does that leave you and your 'evidence'?

As I said, it's not the basis of my faith, but I do think its pretty remarkable. People spend tens of thousands of dollars on psychologists and self-help programs over years of time to achieve the same results I did (or never) in a few months with no effort, and that with a few different issues at the same time.