A Non-Violent Solution?

[Abracadabra]

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(14th February 2012 20:10)genkaus Wrote:  

(14th February 2012 19:48)Abracadabra Wrote:  It doesn't need to be a "lie" at all.

I'm not suggesting that these other spiritual ideas need to be supported as having 'evidence' for being true.

All I'm saying is that they can't be disproved. And that, my friend, is not a lie.

It is. Check out the other thread.

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It's precisely because of this kind of haughty arrogance that religious people will never believe a word any atheists says.

Evidently some atheist extremists (such as yourself evidently), are making unrealistic claims that they can't possibly back up. All you're doing is spewing "lies" in precisely the same way that Christian proselytizers spew their "lies".

Obviously you both believe what you believe, but clearly neither of you can prove you baloney.

So you'll remain locked in horns in a stalemate forever with the Christians because you can't proof your faith-based claims anymore than they can prove theirs. It's a dead heat.

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(14th February 2012 20:10)genkaus Wrote:  

(14th February 2012 19:48)Abracadabra Wrote:  The jealous God religions can be disproved via the very contradictions that are blatantly apparent within the fables themselves. You don't even need science to prove that the Abrahamic myths are false.

The same applies to the bullshit you are peddling.

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I'm not peddling any bullshit. That's just more of your own erroneous assumptions. All I'm doing is suggesting wise and realistic solutions to the problems facing modern day humanity.

Unfortunately there exists extremists on both sides of the fence. The religious extremists claiming they have rock-solid proof of their jealous Gods. And the atheist extremists making equally absurd claims that they can rule out every possible spiritual concept of reality.

Both of those positions are equally unsupportable.

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(14th February 2012 20:10)genkaus Wrote:  

(14th February 2012 19:48)Abracadabra Wrote:  You ask, "Why would start, naked truth be certain doom?".

Well, if you're referring to what pure secular atheists believe to be true, then how could it be anything other than certain doom? That's precisely what a secular atheist is selling.

To simply cease to exist when your body dies is "Certain Doom"

Perhaps you don't realize this, but that is precisely what pure secular atheism amounts to,... CERTAIN DOOM.

Oh, you mean in eventual certain doom rather than certain doom as soon as they accept atheism?

Well, certain doom is the truth irrespective one's beliefs. I don't see how clinging to an old fantasy, changing fantasies or facing the truth is going to change that? How would your middle way be a safety-net?

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It would be a safety-net because, unlike your personal and erroneous claims, it can't be disproved.

If you believe that you can disprove any and all concepts of a spiritual essence to reality, then you truly do fit the definition of an atheist in my signature line.

Any genuinely intelligent should know that we have not come anywhere near close to have ruling out such things. If you have convinced yourself that you can, then that's your own personal fantasy right there.

I certainly defend your right to believe that for yourself. But trying to push your views onto other people as though they represents the infallible word of God, is no different from preaching the Abrahamic religoins.

The only difference in your case is that you're claiming to be this God because you're the one who claims to know the supreme truth of ultimate reality.

If that's true, why don't you take a stroll over to the scientific community and set them straight on all their current scientific theories and speculations?

After all, if you claim to know the true nature of reality, then you should be able to answer any question anyone has about reality without hesitation.

If you can't do that, then clearly you are just full of hot air.

Sorry to be so blunt, but truth is truth.

All you're doing is preaching secular atheism as a personal faith-based religion on your part.

You're every bit as deluded in your fantasies as the most tenacious religious zealot.