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The idea of God always existing
8th March 2012, 04:15 (This post was last modified: 8th March 2012 04:17 by Voltair.)
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RE: The idea of God always existing
So God's creation is the beginning of time and before that there is no time. However time is simply a construct we invented to measure things. The point is if God has always existed without explanation or without cause why is it invalid to postulate a non-deity based idea with the same quality? What makes it a unique claim to God?

You have offered up an idea about it but why again is this uncaused cause a deity? If we remove physics from the equation aka pre-universe who is to say that the uncaused cause in a sense is a fluctuation in matter or something else? How does one give personal characteristics or deity based characteristics to this cause? I will freely admit to you that science does not have the answer to the cause of the universe yet.

However arguing that an abstract idea was the cause isn't the same as proving that same idea. I freely admit that it is possible that a deity is the first cause I just don't see how it is possible to prove it. This is why I classify myself as an agnostic atheist. To be honest I don't see major differences between agnostics, deists, and atheists save the fact that two of them believe in some form of deity but don't necessarily have a way to prove it or even care to a lot of times.
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The idea of God always existing - Voltair - 7th March 2012, 22:47
RE: The idea of God always existing - IATIA - 2nd December 2012, 07:56
RE: The idea of God always existing - Cinjin - 30th November 2012, 16:11
RE: The idea of God always existing - Undeceived - 30th November 2012, 20:41
RE: The idea of God always existing - genkaus - 1st December 2012, 02:00
RE: The idea of God always existing - Darkstar - 1st December 2012, 03:44
RE: The idea of God always existing - Undeceived - 1st December 2012, 09:14
RE: The idea of God always existing - Darkstar - 2nd December 2012, 05:39
RE: The idea of God always existing - Undeceived - 3rd December 2012, 02:39
RE: The idea of God always existing - Darkstar - 3rd December 2012, 03:04
RE: The idea of God always existing - Undeceived - 3rd December 2012, 07:10
RE: The idea of God always existing - IATIA - 3rd December 2012, 07:43
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 3rd December 2012, 12:36
RE: The idea of God always existing - Undeceived - 3rd December 2012, 20:14
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 3rd December 2012, 23:50
RE: The idea of God always existing - Undeceived - 4th December 2012, 06:59
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 4th December 2012, 11:40
RE: The idea of God always existing - Kousbroek - 2nd December 2012, 12:41
RE: The idea of God always existing - genkaus - 4th December 2012, 06:40
RE: The idea of God always existing - Chuck - 7th March 2012, 23:51
RE: The idea of God always existing - Chuck - 8th March 2012, 00:02
RE: The idea of God always existing - Chuck - 8th March 2012, 00:23
RE: The idea of God always existing - Chuck - 8th March 2012, 01:07
RE: The idea of God always existing - ThomM - 8th March 2012, 03:33
RE: The idea of God always existing - Voltair - 8th March 2012 04:15
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 8th March 2012, 17:31
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 8th March 2012, 18:03
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 8th March 2012, 18:16
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 8th March 2012, 18:31
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 10th March 2012, 02:45
RE: The idea of God always existing - toro - 10th March 2012, 04:34
RE: The idea of God always existing - toro - 10th March 2012, 15:08
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 10th March 2012, 15:20
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 10th March 2012, 15:29
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 10th March 2012, 15:41
RE: The idea of God always existing - black36 - 10th March 2012, 15:46
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 10th March 2012, 16:20
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 10th March 2012, 15:48
RE: The idea of God always existing - black36 - 10th March 2012, 15:51
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 10th March 2012, 16:39
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 10th March 2012, 16:51
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 10th March 2012, 17:31
RE: The idea of God always existing - black36 - 10th March 2012, 16:59
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 10th March 2012, 17:04
RE: The idea of God always existing - black36 - 10th March 2012, 17:31
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 10th March 2012, 17:35
RE: The idea of God always existing - black36 - 10th March 2012, 17:40
RE: The idea of God always existing - Cinjin - 10th March 2012, 17:40
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 10th March 2012, 17:45
RE: The idea of God always existing - black36 - 10th March 2012, 17:51
RE: The idea of God always existing - black36 - 10th March 2012, 17:57
RE: The idea of God always existing - Cinjin - 10th March 2012, 17:59
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 10th March 2012, 18:13
RE: The idea of God always existing - black36 - 10th March 2012, 18:16
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 10th March 2012, 18:27
RE: The idea of God always existing - black36 - 10th March 2012, 18:24
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 10th March 2012, 18:25
RE: The idea of God always existing - black36 - 10th March 2012, 18:27
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 10th March 2012, 18:28
RE: The idea of God always existing - black36 - 10th March 2012, 18:28
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 10th March 2012, 18:35
RE: The idea of God always existing - Phil - 10th March 2012, 18:45
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 10th March 2012, 19:16
RE: The idea of God always existing - Shell B - 10th March 2012, 19:18
RE: The idea of God always existing - Cinjin - 10th March 2012, 20:31
RE: The idea of God always existing - Shell B - 10th March 2012, 20:34
RE: The idea of God always existing - Shell B - 11th March 2012, 01:30
RE: The idea of God always existing - Shell B - 11th March 2012, 01:33
RE: The idea of God always existing - Shell B - 11th March 2012, 18:18
RE: The idea of God always existing - Shell B - 11th March 2012, 18:22
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 11th March 2012, 18:20
RE: The idea of God always existing - Shell B - 11th March 2012, 18:30
RE: The idea of God always existing - ThomM - 24th August 2012, 01:04
RE: The idea of God always existing - festive1 - 29th November 2012, 22:46
RE: The idea of God always existing - padraic - 24th August 2012, 04:20
RE: The idea of God always existing - Kayenneh - 24th August 2012, 09:33
RE: The idea of God always existing - Minimalist - 29th November 2012, 22:51
RE: The idea of God always existing - cato123 - 29th November 2012, 22:54
RE: The idea of God always existing - Minimalist - 29th November 2012, 22:59
RE: The idea of God always existing - John V - 3rd December 2012, 20:48
RE: The idea of God always existing - Kousbroek - 3rd December 2012, 20:54
RE: The idea of God always existing - IATIA - 4th December 2012, 14:12
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rhythm - 5th December 2012, 16:09
RE: The idea of God always existing - Voltair - 6th December 2012, 19:04
RE: The idea of God always existing - Ryft - 10th December 2012, 08:47
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rayaan - 10th December 2012, 09:15
RE: The idea of God always existing - Ryft - 10th December 2012, 09:40
RE: The idea of God always existing - Welsh cake - 10th December 2012, 09:29
RE: The idea of God always existing - Rayaan - 10th December 2012, 09:42
RE: The idea of God always existing - ronedee - 11th December 2012, 16:07
RE: The idea of God always existing - Darkstar - 11th December 2012, 17:04
RE: The idea of God always existing - ronedee - 11th December 2012, 20:13
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 11th December 2012, 20:17
RE: The idea of God always existing - Ryft - 12th December 2012, 02:15
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 12th December 2012, 11:07
RE: The idea of God always existing - Undeceived - 13th December 2012, 04:37
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 13th December 2012, 11:12
RE: The idea of God always existing - Ryft - 13th December 2012, 16:43
RE: The idea of God always existing - Darkstar - 12th December 2012, 02:18
RE: The idea of God always existing - Ryft - 13th December 2012, 02:51
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 13th December 2012, 17:16
RE: The idea of God always existing - ronedee - 13th December 2012, 20:45
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 14th December 2012, 17:10
RE: The idea of God always existing - ronedee - 17th December 2012, 02:53
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 17th December 2012, 11:16
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 17th December 2012, 11:28
RE: The idea of God always existing - ronedee - 17th December 2012, 17:19
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 17th December 2012, 21:51
RE: The idea of God always existing - TarShoduze - 17th December 2012, 11:51
RE: The idea of God always existing - ronedee - 18th December 2012, 21:09
RE: The idea of God always existing - pocaracas - 18th December 2012, 21:33

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