Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: May 5, 2024, 11:52 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
More Kony Shit
#62
RE: More Kony Shit
(April 2, 2012 at 7:16 pm)LukeMC Wrote: The reason I find the objections of the unconverted to be particularly irritating is


Have a look at my post on page 5 - none of my criticisms include that. In fact, I think politicians WILL act under public pressure, which is precisely why I'm concerned. Politicians are (supposed to be) representives of the people, so it is expected they do what the public wants, but if they're caving under the pressure of an ignorant population that's not going to help anyone.

My primary concern with Kony 2012 isn't particularly specific to the campaign (although I also have secondary specific concerns). A concise way of putting my primary concern could be stated like this:
  • Organisation X makes misleading and simplified but nonetheless persuasive argument for cause Y
  • The general public, ignorant in regards to much of the subject of cause Y then heavily supports it
  • Politicians, now under the weight of public pressure and close to presidential elections, support cause Y to maintain their own support and not look callous.
As you can see with the names (and their baggage) removed it doesn't particularly matter whether the organisation or their cause is good or bad. Provided the argument for cause Y is persuasive enough, people will act. And remember, it's incorrect to assume the persuasiveness of an argument comes from how well it is supported by facts. People are persuaded by many things - sometimes facts.

(April 2, 2012 at 7:16 pm)LukeMC Wrote: All you have to do to find out what the claimants are actually claiming is to invest a little extra time in investigating the content behind their movement. Go to their website and see for yourself before you set up a strawman to debunk.

I did. I didn't stop at their website though, I did other research on central African history, foreign aid in africa, Joseph Kony and the LRA, IC and their affiliates, as well as refreshers on the techniques used in advertising, psychology and sociology (as they relate to persuading people). Since this research took place over the span of a week I'm not suggesting it's anything more than a crash course, but it's better than simply visiting the website of the people promoting the cause. It'd be like saying "people say McDonald's is unhealthy, but if they just visited their website they'd see this argument has been dealt with". To be clear I'm only using that example to illustrate the mistaken reasoning, I'm not equating McDonald's with IC.

(April 2, 2012 at 7:16 pm)LukeMC Wrote: see for yourself before you set up a strawman to debunk.

There's strawman arguments on both sides. You're close to making one by seeming to assume that all critiques spout the same "iT's a SCAM guyz Kody isnt even in uganda anymore lol". Some people actually did do research and still have issues with it. Instead of shouting down, making facetious remarks or outright ignoring actual criticisms maybe some of the supporters might address the actual issues instead of pretending we all think nobody knows Kony isn't in Uganda. That last sentence isn't personally directed toward you, LukeMC - it's more a general response to the replies I've seen by supporters to critics.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
More Kony Shit - by theVOID - March 26, 2012 at 3:49 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 26, 2012 at 4:47 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by theVOID - March 26, 2012 at 5:59 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 26, 2012 at 7:02 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by theVOID - March 27, 2012 at 1:06 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by Shell B - March 27, 2012 at 1:48 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by Napoléon - March 27, 2012 at 9:46 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 26, 2012 at 10:48 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by NoMoreFaith - March 26, 2012 at 12:04 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 26, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by NoMoreFaith - March 26, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Shell B - March 26, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Napoléon - March 26, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 26, 2012 at 2:11 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 26, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 26, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Napoléon - March 26, 2012 at 2:22 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 26, 2012 at 2:29 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Napoléon - March 26, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 26, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Napoléon - March 26, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 26, 2012 at 4:09 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Napoléon - March 26, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 26, 2012 at 6:16 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by 5thHorseman - March 26, 2012 at 5:16 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Napoléon - March 26, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Shell B - March 26, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Napoléon - March 26, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by paintpooper - March 27, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 27, 2012 at 3:26 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by paintpooper - March 27, 2012 at 3:29 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Shell B - March 27, 2012 at 3:31 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 27, 2012 at 3:38 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 27, 2012 at 3:34 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 27, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by paintpooper - March 27, 2012 at 3:53 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 27, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 27, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 27, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 27, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by 5thHorseman - March 27, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 27, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Autumnlicious - March 27, 2012 at 4:06 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 27, 2012 at 4:10 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 27, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by theVOID - March 29, 2012 at 12:55 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 27, 2012 at 4:25 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Autumnlicious - March 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LastPoet - March 27, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Atheist Anarchist - March 27, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tempus - March 27, 2012 at 8:42 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Shell B - March 27, 2012 at 8:51 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Napoléon - March 28, 2012 at 10:44 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by Cinjin - March 27, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - March 28, 2012 at 11:07 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by Napoléon - March 28, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Shell B - March 28, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LukeMC - April 2, 2012 at 5:40 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - April 2, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by LukeMC - April 2, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tempus - April 3, 2012 at 3:34 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by LukeMC - April 3, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: More Kony Shit - by Tiberius - April 2, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: More Kony Shit - by SavageNerdz - April 3, 2012 at 10:34 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Do conservatives believe the shit on Fox News? Spongebob 119 9317 August 31, 2021 at 1:41 pm
Last Post: downbeatplumb
  Lame Duck Shit Show brewer 46 2192 November 12, 2020 at 3:18 pm
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Coming From Anyone Else This Would Just Be The Usual Nauseating Shit Minimalist 3 833 October 24, 2018 at 4:56 pm
Last Post: Joods
  Yeah, we Know. Pence Is A Piece of Shit, Too Minimalist 0 576 July 29, 2018 at 6:20 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Just heard this bat shit insane idea... Brian37 13 1602 July 20, 2018 at 9:46 am
Last Post: Brian37
  Fuck You, You Orange Piece of Shit Minimalist 24 3079 June 18, 2018 at 1:37 pm
Last Post: Amarok
  This Is The Kind Of Dumb Shit We Get Running in Arizona Minimalist 7 1223 May 20, 2018 at 8:15 am
Last Post: brewer
  Rand Paul Caves Like The Useless Shit He Is Minimalist 7 1706 April 23, 2018 at 8:55 pm
Last Post: The Industrial Atheist
  Lying Sack Of Shit Already Having Memory Problems Minimalist 38 5819 January 4, 2018 at 3:56 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Finally Fox [Faux] News is being called out for their shit NuclearEnergy 3 1471 December 16, 2017 at 12:11 am
Last Post: vulcanlogician



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)