RE: A good case against God
July 4, 2012 at 1:43 pm
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2012 at 1:50 pm by CliveStaples.)
(July 4, 2012 at 1:29 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: You haven't? Then take that "Protestant x-tard" off your title. But you have attempted to defend the preposterous kalaam argument, which is a claim of your sky fairy. Your "pragmatism" claim coming back to bite you in the ass, you know. And I have said "you" in the plural, meaning ALL of you idiots who claim a sky fairy have failed to present a shred of evidence to support it.
Just because I identify as Protestant doesn't mean that I'm advancing the claim that Protestant is true in this thread.
And I never defended the Kalaam Cosmological Argument. All I did was ask you where Harris addressed it, and apparently that was too challenging for you.
My "Pragmatism" claim was just a bit of trivia about what a Pragmatist might say about what it means to affirm or deny a belief. Since I'm not even a Pragmatist, I'm not sure how that can "bite me in the ass".
Quote:You cannot claim to have provided a shred of evidence.
True. But I have advanced no claims that require me to.
Quote:"YOU" = You fucktard xturds. NO more shell games, Miss Priss.
Not being a "fucktard xturd", I do not fall within the scope of your claim.
Quote:I have pointed out that you xtards have failed to meet your burden of proof.
Then it seems we're in the same unsupported-claim boat, since you have continued in your refusal to support your own assertions.
Quote:Are you REALLY still squealing about that, Miss Priss?
Are you still failing?
Note: that's rhetorical. You are still failing.
Quote:For which you xtards have provided not a shred of evidence.
A claim that I have not disputed. Why are you bringing it up to me? It's irrelevant to my argument.
Quote:You haven't in the course of human history. Go on, then, trot out your big Nasty.
"You have not done X" and "You cannot do X" are very different claims. Do I need to explain the difference?
Quote:Your extraordinary claim of a big Sky Daddy required extraordinary evidence. Of which you have not provided a shred in the entire course of human history.
Well, to be fair I've only been alive for a very small portion of that history. But again, this isn't a claim that I've disputed, and in fact this claim is irrelevant to my argument. So it's a red herring to bring it up.
Quote:Fucking liar. Cite where I said "impossible". I said you assholes have not provided any evidence. All of this bullshit is simply you squirming to dodge your burden of proof.
Okay:
Here is my argument: Your god is a superstitious fucking fairy tale, and you can produce absolutely no evidence at all to prove that it is not.
If I can't produce any evidence to prove that God isn't a "superstitious fucking fairy tale", then it is impossible for me to produce such evidence.
QED, bitch.
(July 4, 2012 at 1:28 pm)Skepsis Wrote: Doesn't matter is it is a deist God. If a God has power over current affairs in the world, then he must necessarily interact with the physical world.
It isn't that there must be physical evidence, but rather that physical evidence could be acquired. Hell, it would even be likely that there would exist somewhere evidence for a God.
That doesn't make any sense. You can only acquire physical evidence if there's physical evidence there to acquire--that is, if the physical evidence exists. So if you can acquire physical evidence, then physical evidence must exist.
And did you see my previous response? We can't even always detect it when humans interact with the physical universe--see, e.g., natural vs. artificial selection being genetically indistinguishable. When a human walks through a forest, we aren't necessarily going to find evidence there. How many humans have lived throughout history? Can we prove exactly where and when they died?
Quote:He's known to be fairly bold and wants to be found. You're dodging the bullet by suggesting he's 'subtle' in the way he goes about things. Reading the Bible should have made you see that.
Wow, a condescending atheist. What's next, cop eating a donut?
The question of the "hiddenness of God" is a common question in theology and the philosophy of religion. Look at how--in the Bible--God cites evidence of his existence. When the rich man was in Hell, and asked to be sent back to his family to warn them to be faithful to God, what was the response? "They have Moses and the prophets." Reading the Bible should have made you see that.
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”