RE: Atheism leaves too much room for error.
August 20, 2009 at 9:02 am
(This post was last modified: August 20, 2009 at 9:18 am by The_Truth.)
[quote='Rhizomorph13' pid='27123' dateline='1250710568']
[quote='The_Truth' pid='27102' dateline='1250705132']
...invisible atoms...[/quote]
My Scanning Electron Microscope disagrees with you...
Rhizo
[/quote] Not to sound rude, but did you honestly think this through before you posted that?
[quote='EvidenceVsFaith' pid='27142' dateline='1250718211']
The_Truth,
Any similarites to what we know now... if there are any whatsoever, however vague, are indeed total, complete, and utter coincidences - why? Because God is far more improbable than a few, however few - extremely vague conicidences that tell nothing. That's not remotely improbable. Easy conincidences - God on the other hand is extremely improbable - and it doesn't address him at all!
EvF
[/quote]I find it really hard to believe what was said in the bible and what modern scientists are saying is complete coincidence. Only a genius would have known that the universe was created by things that do not appear. God is possible and his creation proves it.
[quote='Kyuuketsuki' pid='27112' dateline='1250707243']How can it be incorrect ... it is simply a label, it carries no philosophy, has no value in and of itself, it just says what we are! The value, the philosophy comes from the underlying reasons that made us atheists.[/quote] Yes, you are correct, I guess. but you cannot know for sure if God exists or not. Not even the world's top scientists can make that claim. So, when I say atheism leaves too much room for error. You must ask yourself, could God possibly exist?
[quote]Come again? You've shown what? Like hell you have! Biblical scripture can only be force fit to modern science just like I demonstrated to you with your pathetic claim that "let there be light" equated to the big bang.[/quote]How in the world can Biblical scripture fit into modern science, when the bible made the claim long before we discovered atoms. If anything, modern science is agreeing with scripture.
[quote='The_Truth' pid='27086' dateline='1250697617']I cannot believe atheists dismiss this statement by the bible.
[quote]Easily ... it's bollocks! It's also worth noting that "worlds" is not "universe" or even "stars" and that there is no suggestion that the process of stellar or planetary creation were in any way not visible processes.[/quote] Yes, when the Hebrews used the word "worlds", they were talking about the planets. God created the worlds with things that do not appear.
[quote]Rubbish ... you believe because you want to believe, you even force fit your bible scriptures to say what you want them to say![/quote]Not true. I'm reading ancient texts, and I am also reading modern science. They both claim the universe was created by materials that cannot be seen. How is that forcing anything?
[quote]It is not factual; it is grossly misrepresenting both your scripture and science to claim that such a simplistic statement can equate to science.[/quote]God claimed he created everything with things that do not appear long before modern science come up with this discovery.
[quote]There is no mention of hydrogen, helium, lithium., beryllium, boron, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen fluorine or neon in your bible (to list just the first two rows of the periodic table and the lighter elements most likely to be produced first in the very early universe so no the claimed word of your god is not even within spitting distance of merest suggestion of accuracy.[/quote]Why would God get into strict details with his people? If you suggested hydogren, helium, carbon or nitrogen, they wouldn't have understood him. Those words didn't exist in ancient hebrew.
[quote]More bollocks! Which fucking prophecies have been fulfilled? And not *in bible* ones please because they don't count![/quote] The ancient city of Tyre shall never be rebuilt. Where is Tyre these days? Its underground, and a new city called "Sur" replaced it. God promised Tyre shall never exist ever again. Sure, the land exists, but it's not called Tyre anymore. Tyre is long gone underground. modern archaealogists prove this.
[quote]The fact is they didn't have the kind of knowledge you claim, all the available evidence indicates they were a technologically illiterate people in comparison to today's understanding of the universe.
Kyu
[/quote] You're correct. I never claimed the ancient hebrews were geniuses. But they did receive information from an intelligent being. Scientists and skeptics made a mockery of the bible when they read "the universe was prepared by invisible things". Skeptics believed that was utterly impossible. hmm?
[quote='The_Truth' pid='27102' dateline='1250705132']
...invisible atoms...[/quote]
My Scanning Electron Microscope disagrees with you...
Rhizo
[/quote] Not to sound rude, but did you honestly think this through before you posted that?
[quote='EvidenceVsFaith' pid='27142' dateline='1250718211']
The_Truth,
Any similarites to what we know now... if there are any whatsoever, however vague, are indeed total, complete, and utter coincidences - why? Because God is far more improbable than a few, however few - extremely vague conicidences that tell nothing. That's not remotely improbable. Easy conincidences - God on the other hand is extremely improbable - and it doesn't address him at all!
EvF
[/quote]I find it really hard to believe what was said in the bible and what modern scientists are saying is complete coincidence. Only a genius would have known that the universe was created by things that do not appear. God is possible and his creation proves it.
[quote='Kyuuketsuki' pid='27112' dateline='1250707243']How can it be incorrect ... it is simply a label, it carries no philosophy, has no value in and of itself, it just says what we are! The value, the philosophy comes from the underlying reasons that made us atheists.[/quote] Yes, you are correct, I guess. but you cannot know for sure if God exists or not. Not even the world's top scientists can make that claim. So, when I say atheism leaves too much room for error. You must ask yourself, could God possibly exist?
[quote]Come again? You've shown what? Like hell you have! Biblical scripture can only be force fit to modern science just like I demonstrated to you with your pathetic claim that "let there be light" equated to the big bang.[/quote]How in the world can Biblical scripture fit into modern science, when the bible made the claim long before we discovered atoms. If anything, modern science is agreeing with scripture.
[quote='The_Truth' pid='27086' dateline='1250697617']I cannot believe atheists dismiss this statement by the bible.
[quote]Easily ... it's bollocks! It's also worth noting that "worlds" is not "universe" or even "stars" and that there is no suggestion that the process of stellar or planetary creation were in any way not visible processes.[/quote] Yes, when the Hebrews used the word "worlds", they were talking about the planets. God created the worlds with things that do not appear.
[quote]Rubbish ... you believe because you want to believe, you even force fit your bible scriptures to say what you want them to say![/quote]Not true. I'm reading ancient texts, and I am also reading modern science. They both claim the universe was created by materials that cannot be seen. How is that forcing anything?
[quote]It is not factual; it is grossly misrepresenting both your scripture and science to claim that such a simplistic statement can equate to science.[/quote]God claimed he created everything with things that do not appear long before modern science come up with this discovery.
[quote]There is no mention of hydrogen, helium, lithium., beryllium, boron, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen fluorine or neon in your bible (to list just the first two rows of the periodic table and the lighter elements most likely to be produced first in the very early universe so no the claimed word of your god is not even within spitting distance of merest suggestion of accuracy.[/quote]Why would God get into strict details with his people? If you suggested hydogren, helium, carbon or nitrogen, they wouldn't have understood him. Those words didn't exist in ancient hebrew.
[quote]More bollocks! Which fucking prophecies have been fulfilled? And not *in bible* ones please because they don't count![/quote] The ancient city of Tyre shall never be rebuilt. Where is Tyre these days? Its underground, and a new city called "Sur" replaced it. God promised Tyre shall never exist ever again. Sure, the land exists, but it's not called Tyre anymore. Tyre is long gone underground. modern archaealogists prove this.
[quote]The fact is they didn't have the kind of knowledge you claim, all the available evidence indicates they were a technologically illiterate people in comparison to today's understanding of the universe.
Kyu
[/quote] You're correct. I never claimed the ancient hebrews were geniuses. But they did receive information from an intelligent being. Scientists and skeptics made a mockery of the bible when they read "the universe was prepared by invisible things". Skeptics believed that was utterly impossible. hmm?
