RE: Athiesm is a Faith?
January 4, 2013 at 4:58 pm
(This post was last modified: January 4, 2013 at 5:09 pm by Mark 13:13.)
(January 4, 2013 at 4:40 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(January 4, 2013 at 4:27 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Interesting point , so I wonder what came first the Theist or the Athiest.
Logically, the implicit atheist came first. There's no such thing as an implicit theist, so the first theist was explicitly so. The first explicit atheist was whoever first didn't believe the theistic claims of a theist. I'd call that a wash, since the first thiest came after implicit athieism but before the first explicit atheist.
(January 4, 2013 at 4:34 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Well that depends on what Eternity is; we may even Experience eternity already in this life , we just call it NOW. Eternity could be Just a NOW moment as without time there is no past or future.
I'm willing to work with you, if your version of God doesn't extend infinitely into the past, that's fine with me. It doesn't make me think any less of him.
So the first Theist was an Athiest at the start and just invented GOD. Where did he/she get the idea from?
Trouble is that an Eternal NOW outside the Cosmos can probably see what we experience as time passing with its past present and future, as part of that Eternal NOW.
though you could take comfort in , "I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake; and I will not remember your sins" (Isaiah 43:25
(January 4, 2013 at 4:30 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(January 4, 2013 at 4:27 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Interesting point , so I wonder what came first the Theist or the Athiest.
The disbelief in gods existed before the belief in gods. There just wasn't a name for it.
Why do you write 'atheist' with an upper case 'A'?
Well tbh its probably a subconscious thing which shows that I don't disrespect your views so when I use T heist in a sentence with A thiest I'm giving both positions equal respect even if I don't hold to one. never really thought of it before.
(January 4, 2013 at 4:52 pm)Annik Wrote: No, you twit. When you bring your deity into the conversation it is up to you to PROVE such a deity exists. You carry burden of proof. It does not matter if you want it or no, it's your burden. It has nothing to do with atheist or theists and everything to do with positive claims. You are making your claim that a god (we can pretend it's an apple or something, if you like, as it being a god is not why you have the burden) exists. This is not something that can be assumed. You must first offer evidence. The burden is on you because you're the one with the claim.
I disagree. Surely I can have a conversation without having to prove anything, and if i'm not trying to prove anything then whats the burden. If you don't want the conversation, you can leave it, if I don't want to prove something then I don't have to prove it so long as I don't ask you to prove it all seems fine in my mind.
