Childhood indoctrination

[littleendian]

We are flat out bring "justice" to ourselves. What sort of "justice" do you hope to "bring" to food animals?

Not to be killed, not to be tortured like milk cows are when separated from their calfs, basically just to be left alone.

And yet you happily slay vegetation with gay abandon...

Plants do not have central nervous systems and it wouldn't make evolutionary sense for them to feel pain because they can't do much about the cause of pain, which is the evolutionary purpose of it.

The "perception of meat" is a very real consideration towards the health of a people. As rebcox has stated. I am also unable to utilise the various "nutrients" from vegetation to sustain optimal health.

Now that is not true in general, as is proven by many healthy vegans all over the world and also by many studies in nutrition. I personally am healthier than I ever was.

Then of course it comes down to the state of the soils as Rhythm has tried to show you. The degradation of an ecosystem is more profound when well meaning "vegan/vegetarian" let loose domestic animals into the environment

Nobody says we should have billions of cattle running around everywhere, eat the ones that are here now if you must and stop producing them in the billions.

As for clothing, you can't beat leather for durability and biodegradability

Leather you buy today e.g. in shoes is processed heavily and laden with chemicals, far from "bio-degradable".

you are part of this ecosystem called planet earth. Get over yourself and get on with living.

NO, I am not just part of an ecosystem, I am primarily part of a society that can decide what to do and what not to do, and I've made a decision. I am getting on with living, thanks for your concern, part of my purpose in life is talking about this to me very important issue.

Which I am to understand is the main thrust of your argument ...it is not a millennia of indoctrination, it is more likely 1.5 million years of trying to out smart and survive on a planet that is out to kill you if it can. Please stop anthropomorphising everything and get out of the nursery.

These cows or chickens or pigs never killed a man, they're merely victims. I'm not anthropomorphising, I'm saying we don't need to anthropomorphise these animals to have a responsibility toward them that doesnt allow us to torture and kill them.

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I assume you reason that killing other people is wrong. What rational distinction do you see between killing non-human animals who want to live and human animals who want to live?

I like to live. You are making a case that you think it is NOT ok for me to live littleendian. As I and others have stated "we need meat to achieve optimal health"

That is just not true, at least not in general, actually even small amounts of red meat (something like 200gram per week) already cause major health issues in the long run. There are millions of healthy vegans out there. But if you gave veganism a serious, committed, well-balanced try and your health really suffered then okay.