Childhood indoctrination

[KichigaiNeko]

I'll ignore the character attacks,

Oh that is SO big of you. But it is ok for you to attack me? Wonderful.

but I need to address speciesism because you do not understand it (or pretend not to). Probably on the first page of the thread it was discussed that an animal rights position gives equal consideration of interests, not identically equal rights.

But you left me out of that "discussion" as I have told you, I am unable to do this vegan/vegetarian thingy.

Animals with brains have hormonally-driven survival instincts (adrenaline, cortisol etc.), but plants do not. As littleendian already explained, if they could be considered as having interests, it would be in propagating their seed; they actually rely on being eaten by animals.

But so do plants. They only lack a central nervous system.

And chopping part of a plant off when they don't have any pain receptors?

Are you sure? Do we REALLY know so much?

You cannot seriously be suggesting that that is harmful. Even if it is, you haven't given me any alternative, other than starving to death or committing suicide, since animal products actually require more plants to be killed. If you're going to make the point about plants, at least provide an alternative that doesn't harm plants!

Ah there's the rub. You and your avocation of "animal rights" leave me and 75% of the total world population to starve (yeah I know that the 75% is an arbitrary figure pulled out of my backside but I am making a guess here that only 25% of the total world population can be vegan/vegetarian whilst the rest will have varying mixtures of vegetarian an omnivorism

It is not speciesism if I provide a hen with a place to dust-bathe, but don't do the same for my child, as the interests that the two species have are different. However, to act against the interests of a species would be speciesism.

But you ARE advocating that animals have priority over one's own children and you ARE acting against the interests of a species namely the entire plant kingdom with your vegan/vegetarianism.

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@ KichigaiNeko: that post where you just kept writing "ad hominem" and "assumption" was based on a misunderstanding I think. You indicated that you were against Halal and Kosher slaughter. I assumed this to mean you were against the cruelty involved. If I am wrong and you are simply against people's freedom of religion (or anything else), please let me know, but I would have thought animal cruelty was the main reason why people are against those forms of slaughter.

NOW THIS is something I AM with YOU on.

Kosher and Halal slaughter is an abomination, an insult, a desperate act by a puny little man thing; and as such should be abolished. It is NOT kind, humane, nor is it a swift clean kill. I dread to think of the amount of hormones that are surging through that poor animals body prior to the slaughter...and the meat tastes terrible very substandard for here in Australia.

You also have to understand that here we have our farmers struggling to keep stock alive during drought and floods and lack of fodder thanks to "animal activists" who seem intent on making sure these animals suffer MORE than just being slaughtered.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/17637...-Indonesia

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-08/dr...rs/4615768

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So wolf eating deer is what in this debate?

Apparently a "kumaya" moment little_monkey and non violent?