If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?

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Missy C

God wouldn't send a dog to hell for doing what comes naturally, because the dog doesn't choose it. Unlike in our hypothetical story.

You're right, he just sends humans to hell for doing what comes naturally by choosing to sin.

Humans have the choice and can love. They are different from dogs in that way. Nature still applies. Fate is nature. It's neither good nor bad. Evil is another word for bad, applied only to human action/the action of beings with the ability to choose between the two.

What about that cat that plays with its food? That bites the mouses legs off and bats it around for amusement as the poor mouse tries to inch away from its death with two legs and profusely bleeding nubs?
Not evil to you since its not a human?

You're saying that fate should put the girl somewhere that would be just considering the girls actions to date. The girl would lead a charmed life/ one without reason to choose bad, because it would be so easy. Hence unreal/ without choice. This is how you're saying Gods reality should be, and I'm trying to explain how that's impossible.

I'm saying that if this is the system a god came up with, he's malevolent or inept. And yes you still haven't proven why there can't be good without bad or refuted my point that apparently god had love in adam and the world was 'good' before the fall. Without evil.

In my reality there's hope. In yours there is none: Nature is neutral. Mine isn't a fantasy. It's very much as real as your reality. Belief is all that divides us.

In my reality I suffer because that's just the nature of the unbiased uncontrolled-by-deity natural environment that I live in. In your reality I suffer at the hands of a god who has power to do everything and does nothing. Who watches me suffer needlessly (or for the glory of his name) for a sin I never even committed then punishes me with hell because I can't fathom why such a potent being created such a malevolent fallible system in the first place.

@ pineapple

Is hate possible in heaven...

Well angels have chosen to defect? I guess that means they are no longer in heaven, so you would be correct?

The bible speaks of Lucifer having covetous jealous self obsessed thoughts about gods power. He even thought he could be god. You said humans are higher in the heirarchy than angels because we can choose good and evil, but all those angels who defected chose to didn't they.