If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?

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No. People choose to ignore the choice not to sin. If I'm overcome with an instinctual urge to murder would a judge not convict me of manslaughter? That's still punishment. Do you agree with current secular law (where we I live anyway)? If you do, how do you justify condemning God for the same descision?

I don't condemn god he condemns himself. I don'tsee judges killing babies for being born to the wrong parents, or kids for calling someone bald. Not that i think manmade judgement or anymade judgenent can ultimately be fair. I just know based on your gods actions, he's a murderer. Based on his definition of an innocent, he has killed innocents. Or did that just not happen in your bible then?

No. The cat is still acting instinctually isn't it? Play/ practice. It looks cruel to us. Can the cat ever feel empathy for the mouse? I don't think so.

Well just from perusing youtube: yeah, cats can seem to have empathy for a rat. Even if my cat drops a half dead bird at my feet I don't punish it because that was what he was made to do.

The world was good in that (guaranteed) allegorical story but people weren't capable of love. Just like nature is good, with all of the destruction and catastrophie that entails. With animals acting instinctively.

The proof is that without the freedom to choose you cannot choose. If I give you no option but to love me, do you love me? That's not love because for love to work you need the option to hate. It's an absolute and undeniable fact.

You can also give me the option to love you or to not. As opposed to love you or I go to hell. You could even give me the option to just not love you and I can even hate you, you know-- not from Hell.

Firstly, that isn't my reality. It's the one you had.
In my reality God unconditionally loves everyone and through love acts as only a loving parent can and exacts justice when confronted by wrongdoing. God forgives everything.

Eternal damnation =/= forgiveness

No one commited a sin on your behalf. You are guilty personally. Just like me. None of us are perfect.
In your current reality, you are still flawed, and you accept that life is not fair. Yet here you are criticising a reality that is fair.

We seem to disagree both that fairness is even possible, and that your version of reality is fair per its fundamentals.

Yes thanks for bringing that up. My statement might be incorrect. I know humans are supposed to be superior to angels in some way. Interesting that the Quran says that 'Lucifer' (satan, whatever) wasn't an angel at all. But another god.

I did a little digging and found this. I wasn't trying to support my own POV here. This is just what I found. YMMV

Interesting but Pineapples question is can there be evil in heaven? In my understanding god tries to lock evil out of heaven via man. Meaning unless you have been born a man anf saved through jesus, one does not enter heaven. That assumes IMO that there is no choice once you're there both for human spirits and the angels.