Why is belief in a higher power required?

[Godscreated]

You try because it makes you feel like somebody, you need a life, no you need Christ.

What I need, is a rational theist to debate with.

You have, we've been waiting on some rational thoughts to come out of your head if you can manage it.

Yes, I know people feel pain when they are stabbed, the one thing you can not discount is the mercy God could have and cause these children to feel nothing, omnipotent.

Please remember you said this, because I'm going to use it to beat your argument into the ground in a little while.

I will, because I know you like to read into my statements what you want to see, that's a flaw that can cost you.

This is not what you've been saying, you've been spouting all the horrible vile your mind can come up with about the Bible, now that you can not support that vile with the very thing you try to disgrace you have to make excuses and why so you can keep on saying every untruth about scripture you can dream up.

I thought the words were pretty clear? Murdered family, given away like property... what part of this seems good to you?

Please I'm asking, show where it says murder in the scriptures you quoted, we're all waiting. You are the one making the claim of murder and rape, don't you think it's about time you prove this so we can move on, I mean really this is getting old.

Somethings can be worse than death, yet they would have preferred to be the wives of their conquers than to be left with nothing, no husbands, no food, no means to make a living other than prostitution, no where to live in safety. So they could have left them to a worse fate.

So, a couple of cray cray ideas: one... how about no genocide? I know, it must seem terribly unorthodox, but how about your all good, all righteous god restrain himself for once and not murder everyone?

There has to be punishment for sin but, only after judgement, and that is precisely what took place. If God let any sin go He would be unjust, and if He did you would complain even more when He judges you. God can not murder, He can however remove the life He gives to anyone any time it suits His will and accomplish it in any way that brings glory to His name.

Another idea, since your god's such a moral person and such, is having his chosen people take care of the virgin women without forcing them into marriage to a stranger? Or hell, just feed them manna from heaven, he's sort of into that, no?

Your first mistake here is calling God a person, He is above all. Those women were sinful and I assume God was punishing them through marriage to their conquerors seems a reasonable assumption. he could have removed His mercy and left them to fend for themselves.

And why just the virgins, by the way? What else are we supposed to take from that?

Take this away from it, those men would want virgins for their wives, the culture then made that most desirable. These women were coming into child bearing age also another desirable thing in that culture.

Exactly were does it say that, why do you think these women were mistreated when the scriptures did not mention such. Why is it you see the worse in a people you do not know, why do you assume the worse of the Israelites. Your imagination is not only wild it's most distasteful, this leads to a lie.

Well, it was awfully specific about who to kill, and who to take hostage. And then it went on to describe giving women away like raffle prizes. And your bible does have a lot of attendant commandments regarding women being submissive to their husbands and all. I'm just putting together the pieces. Let's flip the script, though; why are you so quick to defend this stuff?

I am defending what I believe, God's word needs no defending, you have only stated what you want God's word to say so you can complain, so we have not needed to defend God's word, just trying to correct your misrepresentation of God's word. God is very specific in what He wants, if you studied scripture you would see this.

Oh, and are you still remembering that thing I told you to earlier? Cause that's coming up after the break.

You shouldn't have waited so long to misrepresent what I said, I'm glad we're about to get there.

You saw that did you, yep the word rape was not used so why do you assume the women were, again you assume the worst in people of ancient days.

Oh boy, here it is!

Where in the goddamn bible does it say that god made it so the children that were slaughtered didn't feel pain, you hypocrite?

This is just the perfect sign of your towering lack of self awareness, GC. Anyone says anything bad about god, and you demand that the scriptures use exacting, perfectly accurate language or else it didn't happen. You need to defend god? Well shit, let's just go making stuff up that doesn't even begin to appear in the book!

It doesn't say that and I did not say it did, why would I follow in your misguided footsteps when I have the Holy Spirit to guide me. So the only hypocrite here is you buddy boy. Oh, why so bent out of shape, it's unbecoming, please try to do better.
You're the one who has said the scripture you quoted says murder and rape, so you are doing some double talk here kiddo. If you will go back and read what I said you will see the word could, that means a suggestion. Oh yes, I made a suggestion not a statement of claim as you did, you said it was murder, I said God could, big difference don't you think.

Which is it, GC? Does the bible need to painstakingly spell shit out before it's real, or can we read between the lines? Why is it you can make up whatever is needed for god to come out smelling like a rose, but anyone who disagrees with you has to draw you a fucking roadmap?

You don't read between the lines you actually change what it says and when you get called out on it you stumble all over yourself trying to defend the indefensible. I made nothing up, I gave an assumption you must be careful how you read things, your misinterpretation of scripture and what I said make you look quite silly.

You claim that atheist have morals yet will claim anyone in scripture do not posses morals, why are you so bigoted, do you have no shame.

Silly christian, you can't be bigoted against fictional people. Least of all fictional murderers.

Now you're making yourself look plain stupid, the Israelites are all over history, this being true makes it true you're bigoted against them, sorry but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

I indulge in seeking truth, you on the other hand seek to create your own truth out of lies, just exactly how does that set with reason, you know that which you claim to have yet, continue to demonstrate the opposite.

You indulge in whatever hand wringing double standards you need to to excuse immorality, all the while pointing fingers like any good self righteous hypocrite would.

I'm pointing a finger at one who is guilty of misrepresenting the verses he quoted, you still have not proven anything you've claimed, you are stumbling around hoping for a solution to your self made problem. Hey you're hoping, isn't that something only Christians do, are you beginning to see the light. I can only hope so, and that is true.

You should join the clergy, you'd fit right in.

God has not called me to be a preacher, He did call me to be a deacon and that is an awesome thing, I will be eternally grateful.

You have completely and absolutely failed in your attempt to pronounce guilt upon these people, you've given no facts to the contrary of scripture, only the same nonsense that comes from your warped mind. So the scriptures stand on their own as they always do.

So, when the scriptures don't say any of the things you've claimed them to say either, I should just ignore you? Well, I was planning to do that anyway, but I'm happy you gave me an out in this particular pile of vapid drivel. Thanks, dude.

The only vapid drivel has come from you because, the only thing you care about in this argument is to make the scriptures say what you through your delusional mind want them to say. Real truth means nothing to you, that has been shown again when you accused me of claiming the scriptures said something they do not. If you had only read the word could I would not have had to waste this time trying to explain the real truth to you. Please be more careful in the future so we can avoid this time wasting you bring us to, or maybe yet it would be better if you just ignored our discussions on what scriptures really say.