Time For Whites To Wake Up

[FlyingNarwhal]

What are any of these groups going to do? Stage a coup? No. They're simply going to make as much noise as they can. That is their Constitutionally protected right. Even the ACLU has defended the Klan's right to hold rallies. They are allowed to keep marching, holding rallies, spouting their hate (as long as it's not inciting violence) for as long as they have an audience, and even after.

I agree.

Here is where the KKK and the Black Panthers differ:
Historical context.
The KKK formed during Reconstruction in response to blacks legally being considered people rather than property. As a group, they are responsible for untold deaths and acts of terror.
The Black Panthers originally formed in 1966 as a radicalized response to the Civil Rights movement. There has been violence, but nowhere near that of the KKK. There has been voter intimidation, again, nowhere near the levels of the KKK. There have been deaths, and that is wrong, those responsible should be held accountable, but there were far fewer than the number of deaths credited to the KKK. The number of murders attributed to the Black Panther Party, according to their Wiki page? About 17 (some of which were murders of Black Panther members). The Black Panthers, while not exactly palatable is decidedly more palatable (in terms of crimes committed and violence incited by each organization) than the KKK.

But if we are going to take historical context into the equation of how we view racially motivated groups than what is the cutoff point? Throughout history atrocities have been committed because one group is different than another. Slavery was not just limited to black people being enslaved by white people. The Roman Empire enslaved many different groups of people, including the ancestors of the people of modern day Germany. Now considering that historical context, that TGAC hails from Germany, and I have Italian heritage; should he be able to make insulting remarks because I'm Italian and it be considered less offensive than if I was to make insulting remarks to him based because he is German.

In my opinion historical context can be damned. Racism is racism, plain and simple. And I will point out racism against whites the same as I do when it's against blacks or any other group. Prejudice, ignorance, and racism shouldn't be tolerated against a group of people because at one point in history the tables were turned.

Furthermore, we are currently on our second incarnation of the Black Panthers, which has been vocal, but far less violent than the first. The KKK's three incarnations or revivals, have all been marked by violence and death, in decreasing numbers as well, but still at a much higher rate than the Black Panthers. One cannot say both the KKK and Black Panthers are equally violent, as this is simply untrue.

I will definitely agree with you that the KKK's history of violence is certainly bloodier than the NBPP, but I'm not advocating that they are equally violent I'm advocating that they are equally racist.

Side note though: The New Black Panther Party is completely separate and more radical than the original civil rights era Black Panther Party.

Another main distinction between the Black Panthers and the KKK... reality.
The KKK speak of being oppressed, of society wanting whites to feel shame about their race, of wanting to preserve the white race and protect their Christian heritage. The Black Panther's rhetoric is, admittedly, quite similar... However, there are obvious, reality based examples for the Black Panther's claims, that don't exist for the KKK, especially in the context of the American Justice system (hello, Zimmerman trial).
Currently, the US has about 7,000,000 people in the Justice system, in jail, prison, and on probation. About 70% of people in the Justice system are black or Latino. We know that all races commit crimes at roughly the same rates. But blacks and Latinos are arrested and convicted at higher rates than their white counterparts. They are also often given longer or harsher sentences (blacks are sentenced to death at a much higher rate than whites). Currently 1 in 5 black males will be incarcerated at some point in their lives. This is an ACTUAL grievance, one that was poked with a sharp pointy stick when Zimmerman was found not-guilty.

Here is where I want to be clear because this is where I think that an important distinction is either not being made clearly, or not interpreted clearly.

I fully recognize that minorities are victims of racism to a larger degree than their white counterparts. I agree with you that the statistics of our prison system are deplorable. But it doesn't mean that the racism against white people should be tolerated because it isn't as common or happens as often. I see it in my mind like this. If racism aimed towards black people is the equivalent of a guy getting punched in the face, then racism towards white people is the equivalent of a guy getting slapped in the face. But just because the guy getting slapped says that he doesn't want to be slapped anymore, doesn't mean that he thinks that the other guy should keep getting punched or that the other guy isn't going through a tougher ordeal.

They actually have every once in a while. White supremacists have spoken at black supremacist meetings because they actually have similar goals. Not a lot of people realize that modern white supremacist groups are no longer about getting a mob together and lynching black people. What they preach now is segregation, which is exactly what black supremacists desire as well. The New Black Panther Party wants a nation solely made up of black people, just the same as the KKK wants a nation of purely white people.

I'd like a source for this.

I should have listed this source to begin with, understandably it's hard to believe.

In 1993, the group organized an event called the National Black Power Summit and Youth Rally, which had around 200 attendees. White supremacist Tom Metzger spoke at the event as a special guest. Although Metzger is no friend of blacks, both he and NBPP members believe that whites and blacks should live in their own separate countries. At that 1993 meeting, Michaels made the likely exaggerated claim that the NBPP had formed 20 chapters.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/in...ther-party

The KKK is not your grandfather's KKK anymore. Oh don't get me wrong they're definitely still a bunch of pricks but they don't believe in killing or enslaving non-whites anymore. They are pretty much a segregationist group only now. Straight from the horses mouth.

Non-white can’t join The Knights because we do not believe in integration or social mixing. There are many organizations working for the advancements of different races. There is nothing wrong with this. If a person doesn’t care about their racial family then they should be ashamed. However, there is nothing wrong with white Christians working to advance their people either. Those who say there is something wrong with this are promoting a double standard.

We do want to point out though that while it may come as a shock to many there are blacks who believe in racial separation. Marcus Garvey was a black nationalist who led millions of his fellow American born Africans on a mission to return to their homeland. The government shut them down. Today the black Muslims, unlike the integrationist NAACP, support separation and are opposed to race mixing and homosexuality. Roselyn C. of Philadelphia, PA is a black female supporter of The Knights and works diligently in her community against the integration efforts of the city and has received widespread publicity. Robert Brock, the black director of the American Committee Against Integration, based in Washington D.C. has been a supporter of The Knights. Not everyone is for integration. The politicians and media just likes everyone to think so.

This is the link to the KKK's website where I found this excerpt.

WARNING: May contain idiotic statements.
http://kkk.bz/?page_id=2896