(November 26, 2013 at 4:35 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:(November 26, 2013 at 4:05 pm)FiniteImmortal Wrote: The inner peace that comes after unimaginable pain and loss can only come from devaluing the meaning of life across the board; to life only being random position of atoms reassembling themselves.
What?
I value life MORE knowing that it happened WITHOUT aid. I get my peace knowing that no one but myself can assign meaning for me onto things - that I belong to this earth and to this vast universe. "For you were made from dust, and to dust you will return." right? I am stardust. If it makes you more comfortable, remember what Yoda said: "Luminous beings are we - not this crude matter." You carry the echoes of the births and deaths of stars - worlds and eons upon worlds and eons - in your very flesh and blood.
I am at peace because of what Whitman wrote:
I celebrate myself, and sing myself,
And what I assume you shall assume,
For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you.
I take comfort as an atheist knowing that if an asteroid is headed to earth, there are other atheists who are science minded who will work to SAVE humanity, because we only get one life each - not people who will stand and shiver and pray. I take comfort knowing there are atheists working to preserve our consciousness from the fragility of these mortal bodies. I take comfort knowing others realize that SOMETHING ELSE DID NOT DICTATE OUR REASON FOR BEING and so we can all make our own - to write poetry that elevates the mind to its best thoughts, to create art that causes love or sympathy or outrage on another's behalf, to study the deep workings of our bodies to heal others, and to study the deep workings of space to give us new frontiers to explore.
I take comfort knowing that my atheist boyfriend doesn't believe he'll see me in heaven, so every kiss and every act of love-making and every shared smile is all the more important.
You don't know shit all in what we take comfort in, and believers take more comfort in their god than in their fellow man. How sad is that, when it's man who exists and could raise each other to the powers of gods, yet they'd rather live with their own delusions.
I find it interesting you speak of beauty. Beauty doesn't exist in the universe, as love doesn't exist in the universe - by your own admission. It is a human invention, we created it and then are wowed by it. Does a sunset know its beautiful? A peacock? A nebula? No, because the concept of beauty comes only with the self awareness of over-sized human brains. This by definition is and invention of human intellect, just as the concept of God is an invention of human intellect; not actually existing in the universe, or so you believe. As many of your fellow believers on this board have told me, the beauty I see in my infant daughter is a trick played on me by my highly evolved brain.
How can you pick and choose which human inventions you uphold?
"When the tide is low, every shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner