The Million Dollar Question

[lordofgemini]

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@confusedape

Intresting views but we aren't talking about religion here. We are talking about God.

The question in the opening post is "What is a God?". Maybe a better way of putting it would be "What is a deity?" because that covers everything - the God of Judaism/Christianity/Islam is a deity along with all the gods and goddesses humans have ever believed in.

Use you logic and understanding, it takes alots of intellect to grasp the concept of God and even higher to understand God.

It really depends on whose concept of God you're talking about - Brahman - The Universal Self - The Highest God Of Hindusim

Brahman is the indescribable, inexhaustible, omniscient, omnipresent, original, first, eternal and absolute principle who is without a beginning, without an end , who is hidden in all and who is the cause, source, material and effect of all creation known, unknown and yet to happen in the entire universe.

He is the incomprehensible, unapproachable radiant being whom the ordinary senses and ordinary intellect cannot fathom grasp or able to describe even with partial success. He is the mysterious Being totally out of the reach of all sensory activity, rationale effort and mere intellectual, decorative and pompous endeavor.

According to that humans aren't going to understand Brahman through using logic and intellect.

Those religions just follow blindly what ever God they are told of be it fire/idol/or some old ancient man/cow/elephant/sun.

Gods and Goddesses of Hinduism

All the numerous gods and goddesses are the eyes, ears, hands and feet of Brahman only. In their individual aspects they represent diversity and His numerous duties (dharmas); but in their unified and highest aspect they represent Brahman, the Supreme Self.

So, it seems that they can be regarded as aspects of the Universal Self by people who want to interpret them like that.

This doesn't mean all of them are god. Religion has nothing to do with the concept of God. Be it any religion.

There wouldn't have been any religions if people hadn't come up with some concept of deity in the first place. Nobody knows how and why religion got started or what the earliest modern humans believed in.

There's a mysterious cave painting known as the Sorcerer of Trois-Frères and it's been dated to approximately 13,000 BC.

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Is this the root of the figure depicted on a seal which was found at Mohenjo-daro, a settlement which was built around 2,600 BC?

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Did this image of whatever it was supposed to be bear any relation to the figure on the Gundestrup Cauldron which has been dated between 200 BC and 300 AD

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Humans have always wandered around and borrowed ideas from other groups of humans. There is evidence that people can have a subjective experience of God/Supreme Reality or whatever you want to call it. It's likely that some early modern humans had the same experience but there's no way of knowing how they interpreted it.

These days there's a New Age tendency to think of God as having something to do with quantum physics. I think we can safely say that early modern humans didn't come up with this concept.

Very informative post.
Yes Brahman fit the description of God. But the point it that yes many religion describe God in different ways. But in actuallity there is just One God. That is the reason for the existence of eeverything. And that One God is the true God.

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You say you don't know if the universe wasn't eternal or not. Well when I think which you clearly aren't doing.

"Think"? You mean "imagine." They are different things; don't ever confuse what seems good in your mind with what's actually true.

I can seem to find a start, my imagination keeps going and and going.

So, because you imagine something and then can't figure out any other way to resolve the problem that you have fantasized into existence, suddenly something needs to be eternal?

Well, to begin with, what you imagine isn't necessarily reality...

It puts my mind into a logical loop. Thus to get out of the loop I take something to be eternal that is beyond time.

... And what you're doing here is an argument from ignorance and personal incredulity; just because you can't think of another solution (for the problem you have imagined into existence) doesn't mean the one you've decided on is correct....

And everything else is created.

... And this is an unjustified assertion. Where's your evidence?

Thus I came to a conclusion that there is something eternal, which is unlike anything. There is no other way about it. What do you reckon.

I reckon you've got an argument from ignorance. Not hugely compelling: when you reach the point where you can't figure out a solution the position should become "I don't know," not "I know something eternal is out there." How do you test that?

This is what I call logical evidence.

There's no such thing as logical evidence. Evidence is something you feed into logic to arrive at properly justified conclusions. But the claim you've made has no evidence, and cannot be tested, and thus you have nothing beyond your preferences to feed into logic to output your conclusion.

And what you prefer isn't the dictator of reality.

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Fine I want you to give me any literally any other possible justification of the existence of the eternal universe.

Like i said there must be a first, that first must be eternal. And the next thing is the because of the first. I.e. created.