(June 23, 2014 at 4:34 pm)ronedee Wrote:(June 23, 2014 at 4:24 pm)whateverist Wrote: Geez, are you joking or are you really that thick? No, lying is not the opposite of telling the Truth. Lying is knowingly mispresenting as true what you know is false. Just because xtians aren't lying does not mean they 'have' the Truth. Far from it. You just have what you think is true. (I strongly suspect you are mistaken.)
No... just making you stress your pov. What you were insinuating is that Christians don't know the truth, and that is why they are lying. People drinking Kool-aide usually means: because they "want" to. Not because they are "forced" to.
So, you didn't say whether "ALL" was an appropriate use? Considering our universal Christian bias?
"(I strongly suspect you are mistaken.)" ...Is that an answer? Or, do you have doubts in your own mind?
There's a clear difference in telling what you believe to be the literal truth, that is not aligned with facts (literal creationists, for example) and willfully misrepresenting the content of the bible to win converts or defend your religion.
I'd wager most people on here have at some point, provided a chapter and verse quote to a Christian, and have been told "No, that's not in the bible."
You could hand them a bible with the passage highlighted, and they'd still say it's not in the bible, and you're playing some kind of trick. That's pure willful delusion.
However, there are also apologists, like William Lane Craig, who have openly stated that if lying brings in another convert, it's OK to lie. Ray Comfort is in the same camp, and there are apologetic movements who will argue that since they already have "the truth," lying to a nonbeliever to attain a given goal is fair game.
