(July 23, 2014 at 3:41 pm)Blackout Wrote: Isn't deism based on the belief that god created the universe and then stopped intervening? The only chance would be if god, being all powerful, defined in the beginning the fate of us all, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Can a deist support a god who is in constant touch with the universe?
People keep saying this but that is not the case. This is a refutation of deism and it came from some Christian theologian centuries ago.
Deists do not believe god stopped intervening they do not even call god a he or she and often use it. I have read many Deistic writings ranging from Paine to Voltaire and not a single Deist every concluded that god stopped intervening. God just does not answer prayers or intervene in the usual Christian sense.
God simply maintains the universe the way it is meant to be for whatever reason.
Deist believe in providence and this to is mention numerous times in Paine's work and by Voltaire. Jefferson is no different in this regard either.
Deists assert that God functions as a demiurge and maintainer. Everything is Deterministic and is predetermined. This is the current agreement for most Deists.
Quote:Thanks for opening me up to the concept of 'liberal theism', I had never heard of it. Most of my friends (we are young people, millennials) share some sort of liberal theism based view, they believe in a supernatural being (whether we call it god or not) and spiritual forces, just like they believe in supernatural events and an occasional intervention of god, but that doesn't mean god intervenes constantly with our world. It sure is less harmful and peaceful, but I still consider it senseless.
By the way, before I became an atheist I was also a deist
It is called Liberal or Open theism, some say there is a difference but that is not the case really. What your friends have is without a doubt a form of Open Theism which is syncretic and shares from other concepts, primarily New Age gibberish.
I have to say you were a bad Deist. I was hardcore and read tons of Deistic literature and had to explain Deism more often than not because people understand it from a REALLY bias point of view. I think DeistPaladin may know some stuff on this as I have seen his videos before.