(August 19, 2014 at 2:59 am)revivin Wrote: The early church fathers record the martyrdom of the Apostles. Paul was almost killed 7 times before he was martyred Clement of Rome said. James was the first to be martyred in Acts. I see all this martyrdom it's difficult not to accept it is martyrdom. Counter claims need evidence.
No, claims need evidence, and you can't support a claim with another part of the claim. Saying "the early church fathers record that..." is no more convincing than saying that propaganda is always curiously positive about its subject.
Quote:Just like Muslims the Apostles believed in their faith, but the difference is the Apostles believed in what they saw, not just a belief.
How do you know they saw anything at all?
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