Evolution V Creation

[rjh4 is back]

Since when did common insects with primitive neurological systems compare to human beings?

I didn't say they did. In fact, I don't think they are properly comparable. My questions were prompted by CP's statement:

"But in the end like it or not we are just like the lowliest ant or slug of the earth, we live and we die just like everything else on this earth."

After reading over it again, maybe he was just comparing us with them relative to the fact that we both live and die. But if that is the case, he could have clarified this in response to my questions.

But then again, CP also implied that apes were greater than man:

"So I ask you rjh4 who is the greater animal, man or ape?"

And as for me I do not think even killing of apes is comparable with killing humans either. Killing humans is much worse in my worldview.

My point was that if one holds that mankind and animals are the same in kind and are on the same level as to worth, then to be consistent, it seems to me that killing one would be no different than killing the other. But I do not think that those who hold this position are consistent. Now if you do not hold that mankind and animals are the same in kind and are on the same level as to worth, just say so and explain why. Maybe you would agree with me that man is greater than apes.

If you disagree, I invite you to answer the following two questions, which CP has not chosen to do.

Do you think that the killing of ants and slugs, and the like, are equivalent to the killing of humans such that you think, for example, that the Orkin man is a mass murderer?

I had to look up Orkin man as I've never heard of it. Just because humans kill other animals, that does not in any way shape or form mean that humans are not animals. So the question remains, what criteria do you use to place humans outside of the realm of animals?

You want to bring a morality issue into a biological question.

Keep in mind that this whole line of discussion was not centered around whether or not man was an animal. I just threw in my comment about man not being an animal as part of my reasons why I think man is greater than apes. And I totally agree with you that just because humans kill other animals does not mean that humans are not animals. I also was not trying to bring a morality issue into a biological question. I was not trying to imply that at all as noted above.

In answer to your question, though, the whole idea of man being an animal is based on evolutionary (common descent) thinking which I reject. Since I hold to a Christian/Biblical worldview and the Bible indicates that mankind was created to be greater than the animals, then I hold that we are. It is as simple as that.

Humans are speciests just as much as other animals are. Argumentum at Hitlerum is not valid here either.

See above.