What were Jesus and early Christians like?

[Drich]

Now your moving the goal posts. We were taling about Pilate who is very well documented out side of holy text, and now you want to shift to jesus where any text that mentions Him is dismissed because it is holy. Again, it does not seem like you intrested in source material.

Didn't you get the memo then? I never disputed Pilate to be a historical figure, but not with as many real historical sources as you like to claim. He existed, he was a Roman governor and he was corrupt. And we know his probable lineage. That's pretty much all we know.

What's in dispute is the historicity of the Jesus trial and how the jewish priests and Pilate acted according to the bible. Which doesn't add up with real Roman procedures and the law of the land at the time of the supposed happenings.

I didn't move one milimeter from my original claim.

You still don't get it do you?

Your arguing points of commentary.

I have provided historical fact.

I can not have a discussion with you on subject till you up you game and quote something of merrit to substantiate your claims.

(You opened this can of worms when you asked from what authority I speak from, now that you know. I ask that you put the effort in and answer my posts in kind.)

Stop making undocumented assertions and tie your commentary to a legitmate source if you are going to speak on a historical figure.

I dont know if you are aware but Christians typically deal with empirical data, not just blind faith.