(April 24, 2015 at 8:22 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(April 24, 2015 at 7:56 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: In answer to the bolded question, yes, it is what we would expect to see, because it is what we do see.
That has to be the stupidest response I've seen in a long time.
Addressing the rest, as someone already pointed out, the laws and maths we use to describe the universe are TOOLS, the universe is not made up of these laws or maths.
Did humans invent the laws of physics? Did humans invent or discover the math that describes the universe?
We developed the language we use to describe our observations. Water was water long before we knew what atoms are and started calling those molecules H20.
None of all this requires a watchmaker to happen any more than Thor explains the cause of lightening or Poseidon explains the cause of hurricanes.
We have solid evidence a personal agent is directly responsible for lightening or hurricanes. The belief the universe doesn't require a creator is an opinion based on the belief it doesn't require a Creator. What hypothesis or model do you propose that explains how matter came into existence and then caused a universe with laws of nature?