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General argument for Islam.

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RE: General argument for Islam.

April 4, 2015 at 10:13 pm

(April 4, 2015 at 10:11 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(April 4, 2015 at 10:10 pm)paulpablo Wrote: You have humans who are the best at certain things for a certain time. It doesn't necesserily make them the best humans. How would you judge who is the best human?
Who excel in goodness and virtue I mean.

It's logical that there are people out there who are kinder and and honest than less honest and less kind people.

Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.

Impersonation is treason.

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General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - March 26, 2015 at 7:07 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Alex K - March 26, 2015 at 7:10 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - March 26, 2015 at 7:14 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Alex K - March 26, 2015 at 7:23 pm

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by Alex K - March 26, 2015 at 7:31 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - March 26, 2015 at 7:45 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Alex K - March 26, 2015 at 7:54 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - March 26, 2015 at 8:06 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Alex K - March 26, 2015 at 8:20 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - March 26, 2015 at 8:47 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Alex K - March 26, 2015 at 8:49 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - March 26, 2015 at 9:04 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by DeistPaladin - April 3, 2015 at 10:38 am

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2015 at 10:54 am

RE: General argument for Islam. - by FatAndFaithless - April 3, 2015 at 10:58 am

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2015 at 11:06 am

RE: General argument for Islam. - by DeistPaladin - April 3, 2015 at 12:34 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2015 at 12:57 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Angrboda - April 3, 2015 at 7:39 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by DeistPaladin - April 3, 2015 at 8:03 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by watchamadoodle - April 3, 2015 at 8:31 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by DeistPaladin - April 3, 2015 at 8:59 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Chas - April 3, 2015 at 10:17 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by DeadChannel - March 26, 2015 at 7:39 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Chas - March 26, 2015 at 7:11 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Minimalist - March 26, 2015 at 7:13 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 8:30 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - March 26, 2015 at 8:56 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Alex K - March 26, 2015 at 8:36 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by DeadChannel - March 26, 2015 at 8:38 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 9:03 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 28, 2015 at 3:07 am

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by JuliaL - March 27, 2015 at 9:15 am

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - March 27, 2015 at 2:23 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by RobertE - March 27, 2015 at 5:11 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by jesus_wept - March 27, 2015 at 6:05 pm

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by paulpablo - March 29, 2015 at 6:07 am

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 29, 2015 at 1:06 pm

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2015 at 4:22 pm

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2015 at 7:04 pm

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2015 at 7:19 am

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by Brian37 - April 3, 2015 at 8:42 am

RE: General argument for Islam. - by FatAndFaithless - April 2, 2015 at 4:23 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2015 at 4:28 pm

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by FatAndFaithless - April 3, 2015 at 11:07 am

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2015 at 11:27 am

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2015 at 11:35 am

RE: General argument for Islam. - by FatAndFaithless - April 3, 2015 at 11:36 am

RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2015 at 11:41 am

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2015 at 12:34 pm

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by Brakeman - April 3, 2015 at 6:21 pm

RE: General argument for Islam. - by Minimalist - April 3, 2015 at 9:09 pm

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RE: General argument for Islam. - by CapnAwesome - April 3, 2015 at 10:38 pm

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