(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:Written as one who has bitten on the whole revelatory package.(May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm)JuliaL Wrote: It would help to establish your authority regarding what happens to consciousness when it goes away.God has spent a fair amount of time informing us of what happens after death.
God:
- Could be imaginary.
- Could be lying.
- Could be a social construct whose sole effect in this reality is to manipulate minds and scam resources for an indolent class of clerics.
(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:Exactly, BEYOND only specifies incomprehensibility not utility. I don't think you understand the concept of ineffibility or infinity. Tell me again why God can't lie?(May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm)JuliaL Wrote: So, it's a mystery even according to your revelatory documentation.
The purpose of the phrasing is to say that what an infinite God has prepared for us is BEYOND what we can comprehend.
(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:Again, you don't understand. Your omni-god can do ANYTHING including lying, double dealing, bait and switch....ANYTHING. Bee-lining straight into hell only applies if hell actually exists.(May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm)JuliaL Wrote: But He pulled the rug out from under the Hebrews more than once.
Well, I suppose that if I were a cynic, I might consider that possible. So, I can either ignore God now, and guarantee my eternal damnation or believe what God has said about the afterlife and deal with any potential "rug tugs" later.
Either way, that has to be better than simply bee-lining straight into hell.
(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:Nope, not gonna bite. I'd provide some simple and obvious inacuracies of the bible and you'd go into Bill Clinton mode and start laying out jots and tittles of Greek semantics worked out by monks in the twelfth century. Brain washing WORKS. Ask the North Koreans.(May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Thanks, but no thanks. Catholic clerics have centuries of piling unsupported crap on piles of unsupported crap on unsupported holy writ to con the masses into supporting them.
Show me some of that. Or are you merely asserting it to be true? If there is soooo much evidence, you ought to be able to demonstrate this to me easily enough.
(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:First, define truth.(May 31, 2015 at 4:11 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Limbo is just another bad try at wallpapering over the holes in the story. Certainly any worthy God would condemn the sophistry. Trust to the mercy of God? I expect I have a better chance of surviving judgement than the Vatican lawyers. Let's not talk pedophile priests here, it's been done to death. Let's talk about cultural imperialism of the inquisition.
Let's talk about the facts of all three of those examples. Or would you really just rather cling to your ignorance so that you don't have to deal with the implications of the truth?
No, let me...
Truth is a property of propositions. A proposition is true in direct proportion to the degree that proposition accurately predicts future events.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?