RE: Ask a Catholic
May 31, 2015 at 9:47 pm
(This post was last modified: May 31, 2015 at 10:00 pm by Randy Carson.)
(May 31, 2015 at 4:38 pm)Cato Wrote:(May 31, 2015 at 4:25 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: What were Jesus's last words on the cross?
"Hey Ma, I can see our house from up here."
Now that was clever.
(May 31, 2015 at 5:23 pm)JuliaL Wrote:(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: God has spent a fair amount of time informing us of what happens after death.Written as one who has bitten on the whole revelatory package.
God:
Reading your unquestioning acceptance of Catholic tradition, I'd say 3. is pretty effective.
- Could be imaginary.
- Could be lying.
- Could be a social construct whose sole effect in this reality is to manipulate minds and scam resources for an indolent class of clerics.
Could be. But I wouldn't want to wager my eternity on any of your options. However, I do have another thread that is more relevant to this currently underway.
(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: The purpose of the phrasing is to say that what an infinite God has prepared for us is BEYOND what we can comprehend.Exactly, BEYOND only specifies incomprehensibility not utility. I don't think you understand the concept of ineffibility or infinity. Tell me again why God can't lie?[/quote]
Because lying is an imperfection, and God is a perfect being.
Quote:(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Well, I suppose that if I were a cynic, I might consider that possible. So, I can either ignore God now, and guarantee my eternal damnation or believe what God has said about the afterlife and deal with any potential "rug tugs" later.
Either way, that has to be better than simply bee-lining straight into hell.
Again, you don't understand. Your omni-god can do ANYTHING including lying, double dealing, bait and switch....ANYTHING. Bee-lining straight into hell only applies if hell actually exists.
Oh, I understand what you're saying. That's not the problem here...
Quote:(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Show me some of that. Or are you merely asserting it to be true? If there is soooo much evidence, you ought to be able to demonstrate this to me easily enough.
Nope, not gonna bite. I'd provide some simple and obvious inacuracies of the bible and you'd go into Bill Clinton mode and start laying out jots and tittles of Greek semantics worked out by monks in the twelfth century. Brain washing WORKS. Ask the North Koreans.
And it works on people who obviously don't even want to hear the explanations for things they have convinced themselves cannot be explained.
You're a bigger dupe than me, because at least I'm willing to listen to YOUR explanations. You want nothing to do with mine.
Quote:(May 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Let's talk about the facts of all three of those examples. Or would you really just rather cling to your ignorance so that you don't have to deal with the implications of the truth?
First, define truth.
No, let me...
Truth is a property of propositions. A proposition is true in direct proportion to the degree that proposition accurately predicts future events.
Jesus said, "I am the Truth" then predicted his own death and resurrection with what turned out to be 100% accuracy.
I'm gonna have to remember that, Julia. Thank you.
(May 31, 2015 at 6:33 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: Even when confronted with contradictions, somehow it remains "true"... Maybe, this is one of the reasons the catholic church didn't like science for a long time. Those pesky facts always get in the way.
Google "List of Catholic Scientists".
See what history really reveals about this.