Why be good?

[Thumpalumpacus]

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"We"? Not everyone thinks like that.  Just because you reach for superstition when the shit hits the fan doesn't mean everyone does.

"We"! You got a mouse in your pocket, kid?




I wasn't pissed, myself, just irritated at a puerile approach coupled with a vapid comparison.




You think that.  But that carries little weight, because you're reporting hearsay of hearsay of hearsay. I don't care if that satisfies you; you've already demonstrated that you have a low evidentiary threshold, at least insofar as your pet beliefs are concerned.




That depends on what is being asserted, obviously. If I told you that I won $82 million in the Powerball last month, you may or may not be skeptical.  If I told you I'm the Son of God and that you need to pray to me for forgiveness, I'm pretty sure you'd be asking for evidence ... if you didn't simply wave away my claim.

This idea of yours that we automatically lend credence to any belief no matter the claim being made is silly.  It has been pointed out to you plenty of times already.  Quit tiptoeing through the horseshit, 'cause it's still sticking to your boots. You're not fooling anyone. You don't lend credence to every claim you hear.  No one does.



When you assert your faith prior to beginning your investigation, you have filters in place that are obvious to everyone ... except, apparently, yourself.

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Your comments have been noted, Parkers. Thanks.

Without objection, apparently. Or is this just your way of brushing off difficult points?

If you cannot do me the courtesy of a reply, then I don't see the point of having a discussion with you. Ought I return to simply heckling your horseshit?

Holy shit -- you mean that in addition to bringing salvation, Jesus taught us about title pages? The things you learn online!

Seriously, the works had to be conveyed by a written copy. Why would an individual church change the title of a holy book?

Do you realize exactly how lame this argument is?

Um...

You're exactly right, Parkers. There is NO reason whatsoever to think that any individual Church, whether in Rome or some far-flung corner of the empire, ever changed the title of one of the Gospels.

Instead, they have been known universally and unanimously by all the congregations as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John from the moment the ink dried on the papyri, and we still know them by their original names to this very day.

Thanks for pointing that out to everyone.

[emphasis added -- Thump]

You seem to have forgotten that you were arguing that those names had to be true because everyone around the world agreed upon their use. To put this back into context, you argued:

AND THE NAMES ARE THE SAME WHEREVER YOU GO. 

It's not as if the Church in Thessalonica called the first gospel, the "Gospel According to Matthew" while a Church in Alexandria referred to it as the "Gospel of Andrew". The Church in Rome did not refer to the last gospel as the "Gospel of Phillip" while that same book was known as the "Beloved Disciple's Gospel" in Antioch.

So the honest thing to do would be to acknowledge conceding the point, which you've clearly done with your latest reply. The names being the same don't matter at all as for veracity, because as you yourself acknowledged, they were written and shared.

Yes, and in your Catholic mythos, with its Trinity, the first instance seems appropriate.

Jesus cannot have died if he was simultaneously God, if God has lived eternally.

Jesus is God.
Jesus died.
Therefore, God died, and we killed Him.

How is this possible?

Jesus is fully God and fully man, and He really and truly died; his heart stopped, His brain functions stopped, and He was not breathing.

However, when ANY of us dies physically, our spirit or soul lives on eternally.

Just so, Jesus' spirit lived on, and on the third day, His spirit re-animated his physical body.

Yeah, more unsupported assertions. I know the theological claims. I'm pointing out that they are incoherent, relying as they do on an invented mechanism ("the spirit") to rescue them from scornful dismissal ... which is the only reply they merit, even so.