(July 23, 2015 at 12:25 pm)robvalue Wrote: You said the sun began to exist. I was pointing out that was incorrect. You then tried to apply this to the universe itself, which is a fallacy, based on an incorrect premise that I just highlighted. This is all flawed.
Sun began to exist. This is true. Are you saying the Sun always existed? Can you point to me what state of the universe always existed? All it's states have been in motion, changing, so they all began to exist. None of them always existed.