(August 13, 2016 at 4:33 pm)Alex K Wrote:(August 13, 2016 at 2:00 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Ah, the No True Scotsman fallacy.
Not necessarily if Lek can make a case that Nazi ideology is fundamentally incompatible with what he considers the Christian message, no?
No it never works regardless.
What humans are really saying when they point to a book or religious club is trying to say "I am a good person", which may be the case sure, but it isn't the book doing it, it is merely the false perception that our species morality is coming from it, which it is not. There simply is no "right way" to interpret any holy book, or follow any holy leader.
If one can accept there are good people outside one's own label, then that should tell everyone, that it is our species either fostering cooperation and non violence rather than it coming from ancient religion itself.
Christianity is merely currently perceived in the west as more civil, but it wasn't that long ago, even in our own history where it was spread by force and when slavery existed. I hate the false attempts for them to try to have it both ways. The Jesus of the bible is still under the same God character described from the first page to the last page in the bible. That character starts out scapegoating his own creation, then uses threats and violence to keep his followers in line and his words are used by his followers to justify harm to non Hebrew tribes. But only a very weak attempt to downplay all that with the "I am not the wife beater God I used to be in the OT, is negated by this same God along with Jesus getting violent with all dissenters at the end of the book anyway.
There simply is no polite way to put it. Cherry picking is the only way they can get around this bully of a god. But, as liberal and non violent one might claim they are, that same bible is used to justify harm to others by others. It is the same source all Christians use regardless of individual interpretations that lead to any act, good or bad.
