(September 20, 2015 at 6:11 am)TheThinkingCatholic Wrote:(September 20, 2015 at 6:01 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Did you miss the part I just stated, right after your blue font?I have calculated the question your asking from this 2 paragraphs?
How can I have a guilty conscience about not following the commands of a being whose entire persona and whose commands I find morally repugnant. They are morally beneath the dignity of reasoning, educated, and decent human beings. Your God is not just made up, he is a monster created by a barbaric people.
You have already demonstrated that you believe Hell is the destination for those who don't believe your Bronze Age fable. This alone is sufficient reason for me to reject your God as a barbaric monster. To posit that it is not enough to just let me die like every other mammal on the planet, but that I must be tortured for all eternity for my disobedience, places your deity into the moral category of a rapist, demanding submissive obedience under threat of the worst type of violence I could even conceive to describe.
Why can't I accept God's commands?
Is God evil?
Why does God send a person to hell?
Is God demanding submission of me?
Why is hell eternal?
Am I just like any other animal?
I don't know how I can be any more clear. I'm going to put "God" in quotation marks, here, to indicate that when I am speaking of this being, I am speaking of it as the product of human imaginations, specifically the priests of the Hebrews.
1) "God's" commands are counter to my own sense of morality, both barbaric and immoral.
2) Yes. Clearly, though "God" is no more evil than the evil men who invented him.
3) Because "God" is morally indistinguishable from a rapist who says "Do what I want or die".
4) Because "God" is morally indistinguishable from a rapist who says "Do what I want or die".
5) Um, because you made it up that way, being scarier than "just tortured for a few years"?
6) Yes, except that I am more intelligent, and we have evolved as tribal, social animals with a sense of empathy for our in-group.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
