(April 15, 2016 at 8:31 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:(April 15, 2016 at 8:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't think the goal is to "step on trans people" out of bigotry or anything like that. I think people are concerned that this may make it easier for a hetero man with a peeping fetish to pretend to be trans in order to easily gain access into women's rooms to peep.
Like I have said, this isn't a big fear of mine. My biggest reason for saying a 3rd bathroom is the best option is due to women feeling uncomfortable while in a bathroom/lockerroom with a person who is still physically male. However, I do think it is a valid concern that should be taken into account.
Did you see my post where I was asking you guys where you would draw the line (if one should be drawn at all) and if it should be different for lockerrooms?
What does it matter what the goal is if the outcome is just as I said?
I think if the outcome could be dangerous, it should matter. There are 2 sides to everything, and both sides should be considered and options weighed.
Quote:As to your question, I answered it, we leave it up to the trans person. Wherever they feel more comfortable peeing, that's where they pee.
Just like in the 50s-60s, when white people were uncomfortable sitting in the booth next to black people, you'll get over it in time. Black people were a minority then just like they are now, but they deserved protection, even at the cost of the majority being uncomfortable while they adjusted. So while having a black person sit next to you (global you) on the bus was just about nearly intolerable, having a trans person nervously shuffle into a stall to use the restroom will be something you'll get over. It's even easier this time, because you'll probably not even notice that it's happening.
Again, the perv bogey man is just a tactic that was drawn up out of fear mongering from the right. Denying people rights and putting them in danger because some asshole politician whose party has been involved in more bathroom perversions than the people they are claiming to protect against is creating this "trans panic" is a thing that would fly in no other situation.
Sorry I missed it.
One thing, I don't think it's fair to compare a woman feeling uncomfortable in private situations or in states of undress in the presence of a physically male person, to a white person not feeling comfortable next to a black person.
To be clear, do you hold the same views for lockerrooms/changing rooms as well? That there should be no line at all, and any person who says they are trans can just go in, even if it's a very male looking individual who is wearing lipstick?
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