(April 16, 2016 at 1:46 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:(April 16, 2016 at 11:36 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Perhaps you don't know this, but there are plenty of trans folks who are still attracted to women. Just because a biological man identifies as a woman, does not mean they are attracted to men. Cait Jenner (formerly Bruce Jenner), for example, is still attracted to women not to men. But that's beside the point.
The point is, both the trans person and the woman may feel uncomfortable/embarrassed to be in states of undress in front of particular groups of people. The trans person may feel uncomfortable changing in the men's lockerroom because they themselves are women in the inside. The women may feel uncomfortable changing in front of a trans person who has not transitioned because those people are still men on the outside. Both of their feelings should be taken into account. To favor one group and tell the other one "too bad" is one sided. That's why I believe the only fair option here is a 3rd private bathroom for people to use when they have not yet transitioned. That way no one feels uncomfortable, and everyone's well being is taken into account. Not just one or the other.
Yeah, that's called being a lesbian.
To be fair, while I don't think C_L would be so small-minded, I'd venture to say that 90% of the people behind these anti-trans "bathroom laws" would also prohibit homosexuals from using those rooms, too. They have a hard-core cabal of propagandists who dedicate their lives to disseminating false information (and fear) to their Christian flocks, in order to advance a Christian agenda while pretending it is an attack on Christians by the "gay agenda":
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/...propaganda
It's not too long ago they were making essentially the same arguments against gays, before they lost the fight in the court of public opinion... for instance, in the military:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/stra...rned-avoid
All we're seeing now is a new facet of their xenophobia.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.