Transexuals

[paulpablo]

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I've only just got in from a holiday. I was about to reply on my tablet on the bus but duolingo was updating and used up all my allowed bandwidth. So keep your hair on.

Demanding proof makes you sound like a theist though. Will you be expecting premises and conclusions next?

I can offer you evidence though. Ask any male to female transsexual who has transitioned. To be honest I'm surprised that I even have to explain this to you. Just to remind you, you said:

I would think women are more likely to be attacked than transgender people.

Let's for the moment agree that the transgendered people we are talking about as being more at risk are those that don't pass. Because if they do pass and are attacked then they are being attacked as a man or as a woman, and not because they are transgendered because the attacker doesn't realise it. And let's be clear about the kind of people who do the attacking. These will be bullies. Bullies look for victims that they perceive as weak. Part of this perception comes from the victim themselves feeling vulnerable and bullies recognising this, which is most certainly more likely to be the case if they are lacking confidence and are aware of people staring at them.

When you don't pass you can often be seen as less of a man or a woman, as less human by a lot of people. You can see examples of this in the media where for many decades trans people have been dehumanised to be the butt of jokes or a news story just for titillation.

Some people get creeped out by others that are different, look at CL and BrokenQuille's reactions for example on this very thread. This is a reaction that cisgendered women or trans-women who do pass are less likely to evoke in others. Look at Drich gloating in this thread regarding the idea of a trans man being raped to 'educate them that they are women'. This emotional reaction makes the trans person more vulnerable. If a bully sees you as a man in a dress, they are more likely to try groping your crotch while their mates laugh for example, something they would never do to someone they perceive to be a woman. Or for that matter the police treating a trans-woman as some kind of freak, dehumanising her in the process. Not to mention the very high rate of murders of trans-women in the US by men, particularly against trans-women of colour.

So if you want to gather evidence yourself, ask some male to female transsexuals when they were most likely to be attacked or physically or sexually abused. When they were transitioning and didn't always pass, or when people perceived them to be women. And it is this most vulnerable stage that will be made even more dangerous with these bathroom bills.

But don't just take my word for it

http://www.avp.org/storage/documents/nca...tsheet.pdf

Demanding proof makes me sound like a theist?  Is that a common problem with theists? Or even a problem when anyone does it?  I don't know any transexuals so I wouldn't be able to ask any personally but I'll take yours and googles word for it that they are attacked more commonly.  As I said I misspoke when I just said attacks, I was thinking of sexual voyeurism and rape and things like that rather than attacks.

So that being said, are you for or against gender neutral restrooms?  Do you think transsexuals as vulnerable people will in danger of having their crotch groped by men while their mates laugh or whatever if people of all genders are sharing the same toilet area.