(April 23, 2016 at 4:53 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:(April 23, 2016 at 4:32 pm)Brian37 Wrote: It is flat out wrong for the Michele Bachmann to say the founders ended slavery, the Civil War did. What is dishonest about what she did, wasn't that she was totally wrong in making that claim, but when Republicans get called out on bigotry, they try to give the image of the party being pluralistic by pulling this bullshit.The Revolutionary War was fought to maintain slavery in the colonies. England was on the verge of ending slavery in England and in its colonies. The rich slavers such as Washington and Jefferson wanted to retain slavery so they joined with the Northern malcontents to rebel against England. They were successful and sold the lie that they were fighting for freedom and democracy. But the English were also successful. They spent a fortune ending the transatlantic slave trade. in the mid 19th Century the Southerners wanted to expand slavery and import more slaves. The Northerners wanted to deport all of the black people and didn't want any more in the country. So there was a second war over slavery.
Now the truth of slavery in the North, not with all the founders, but a few of them DID in private see the problem with it but publicly tolerated it for political expediences. Slavery was mostly gone in the North by the time Jefferson died and even he freed Sally and Her kids along with Whipple.
Real Abolition beyond mere deportation DID exist, in a very small degree, and because of the way the Founders Wrote the Constitution, I do think they knew eventually in the future that blacks would in turn use it to fight for their own rights.
But yea, even with no slavery mostly in the North yes, bigotry still existed and life for blacks certainly was miserable in both the North and South, but there were real progressives even at the time of the Revolution, but even those few wouldn't have been able to go all out all at once with that platform.
But regardless, the CSA did in fact put black people and women on its currency while the USA resisted it for 155 years after the CSA had done it for purely propaganda reasons. The USA didn't want to do it for any reason.
Once again, so what? What the CSA still did NOT do it because they thought blacks were equal. And again, I gave you that link to Whipple who DID see the hypocrisy of slave ownership. AND AGAIN the founders did own slaves but as I said a few of them DID say in private it was bad, but publicly they knew they could not gain support if they ran on the platform of ending it back then.
Skip slavery for a second. Fast forward to today. Even on other social issues politicians in both parties say one thing and do another, such as what happened with gays over the past 20 years. I can tell you democrats lead that charge long ago, even as far back as the 70s. But because of the overall climate the push for marriage equality took forever even though many politicians. Even Reagan didn't give a shit as his daughter has said.
But you are NOT going to get away as painting the South as being anything close to heros for blacks anymore than today's GOP can be called heros to gays just because even in red states gay marriage is legal now.
And yes it does SUCK that it has taken so long to get a black woman on currency, but now in this context it will not be because anyone values slavery, but because we value what she did to save people from slavery.
