Making the case for Islam.

[paulpablo]

1) I don't know if this is true of all atheists.

I don't believe this is the case for all Atheists. It seems to be the case of most Atheists I've discussed with regarding this issue. But essentially you are right in that I shouldn't be making a general statement out of that. I've only experienced with a limited number of Atheists.

2) You're wording of this is dishonest in a suggestive way.  You're suggesting that atheists haven't rationally come to the conclusion that morals are what someone thinks morals are, but rather they just WANT to say it.  It's just desirable rather than rational.

It would be more accurate to say that some atheists have reasoned that moral statements are based on what people think rather than what god has told them because they don't believe god exists.

Ok I'll carry on reading now.

I don't believe reason has anything to do with disbelieving objective praise or morality, but rather it's arch enemy, desire of the vain type, is the reason.

I truly believe now no one honestly believes in themselves objective praise or morals don't exist at all.

Regardless of morals being objective or subjective, I believe that morals come from what people think.  I'm an atheist, I believe that we only have evidence of communication concerning morals from other humans.

Morals could have been communicated to us via aliens, god, weird vague spirit type things, I don't know.  But I have no evidence of those things, I only have evidence of other humans.