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For Americans tired of NRA bullying.
RE: For Americans tired of NRA bullying.
(June 30, 2016 at 8:42 am)Rhythm Wrote: How about a law called an assault weapon ban that doesn't ban assault rifles, bans win190s instead, and applies to law abiding gun owners(someday, but not today™ )....but obviously a criminal couldn't give a shit?  That's going after the good guys, imo, not that the folks that wrote it and enacted it meant to do that...they just didn't know any better, apparently.

I've never understood this "criminals don't obey the law, so this law only influences good people," logic, because it's another one of those things where the person proposing it has clearly never looked beyond the bounds of the country they're discussing to verify that. Australia has an assault weapons ban, and the number of criminals with assault weapons is almost nonexistent. We don't have guys with AR-15s shooting up public places every other month, despite being criminals and therefore not caring about the law, because the law makes it way harder for them to obtain one whether they care about it or not.

Now, is the situation identical in America? No, it's not; the Yankees have dug themselves into a pretty nice hole in terms of gun legislation that it's in all likelihood going to be way harder to get out of. But acting as though "criminals don't obey the law," is both not a statement that demonstrates the thing you might think it does, and is also an argument against laws, not gun control laws specifically. Yet were I to propose removing all laws on the basis of that logic, or hell, even one specific other law in any other context, the problems with that argument would be immediately apparent.

Yes, criminals don't obey the laws. I thought we already understood that laws don't exist to prevent pre-crime.
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For Americans tired of NRA bullying. - by Brian37 - June 22, 2016 at 12:55 pm
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RE: For Americans tired of NRA bullying. - by Brian37 - June 23, 2016 at 4:03 pm
RE: For Americans tired of NRA bullying. - by Gawdzilla - June 23, 2016 at 9:45 am
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For Americans tired of NRA bullying. - by KUSA - June 23, 2016 at 12:25 pm
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For Americans tired of NRA bullying. - by KUSA - June 25, 2016 at 12:43 am
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For Americans tired of NRA bullying. - by KUSA - June 25, 2016 at 12:55 am
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