If free will was not real

[RozKek]

No, we're both just evaluating, thinking critically and logically based upon our knowledge (even that isn't ultimately our decision) it doesn't require free will, why would it? I don't know if I actually answered your question, I didn't really get what you're saying. I don't need free will to use logic and be rational, it's just happening in my brain and we can then evaluate or determine which one is correct by, well, using logic, critical thinking etc although even that is ultimately beyond our control.

Sorry for the delay in the response.   But isn't the critical thinking, evaluation or determining, also just part of the same process?  If these things are beyond your control, and there is no reason from their causes, for why they should be correct, then how can you trust them?  Even as you write, you speak of initiating these things, which suggests will and something outside of just physical forces. 

It would seem that any suggestion to think critically, or even claiming to do so, is rather pointless, and inconsequential.

It's /debate for me, this is leading nowhere, I'd rather spend my time doing other stuff. Sorry, I myself don't like leaving a debate, so this is a bit hypocritical of me, however this time it's enough for me. 

But anyway, I can't help myself: Yes all of the thinking is also determined. I can trust them because my evaluation is based around facts, science and such. It's just none of it was my choice, the process of the evaluation and such, the knowledge I've received, nothing is. However, there is still a correct answer and one of us must be the closest to the correct answer and I believe I am correct mainly because as said, my evaluation, critical thinking etc has so far been based on facts and science and my definition of free will hasn't been limited to only the everyday life, I'm taking into account as many factors as possible and it seems that one factor is cancelling out all the other factors or there is actually/ultimately only one factor. I haven't afaik proposed anything that is not credible, or just pulled out of thin air. It doesn't make a difference if the process of evaluation and critical thinking is free or not, it's the same process.

Anyway, this is /debate for me, feel free to ask these same questions and continue the debate with someone else.