RE: If free will was not real
August 21, 2016 at 5:37 pm
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2016 at 5:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 21, 2016 at 5:32 pm)Gemini Wrote: These are researchers at John Hopkins and this is to be published in a special October edition of "Attention, Perception, & Psychophysics."All well and good, but how is that a response to what -I- said rather than a vague and poorly formed appeal to perceived authority?
Quote:None of what youdefine as freedom. More from the article: "Classical compatibilism is often associated with the thesis that the word freedom in the expression freedom of will modifies a condition of action and not the agent’s will." http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/#TerOneForFreWilProYou definition of freedom doesn't require that it be free...so yes, naturally, I prefer my own which does. Aren't you supposed to be the pedantic one between us?
Quote:I will still stomp on it!
So would I...hell, I'll stomp on things that do have a "free will". Diod you know that you can;t legally shoot at a wounded enemy that's behind your line of control? They're pows. So, the way to deal with that, is a swift rear-and-downward kick to to the skull..which levarages all of your weight and muscle, to crush their heads and reduce the strain on rear echelon motherfuckers.
Quote:The whole point is that nest thermometers are free from external impediments--which satisfies on the conditions of free will, but they don't have a will, i.e., agency or intelligence. And that's why they don't have free will.-but also why your will is no more or less free than whatever they have.
Quote:Nope, I'm just as causally determined as a nest thermometer. That is the compatibilist position.I know, which is why the compatibilist position is a semantic game of hide and seek, rather than a description of some ability or quality that human beings have. If the important bit of a "free will" was that it was a will, you'd not have balked at simply describing it as a -will-...but no, no...we have to call it "free"............
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