(April 17, 2012 at 12:08 pm)Perhaps Wrote: It is what creates the other two forms of reality. It therefore controls how the material and the abstract behave. What are we past our perceptions? What exists outside of consciousness? What allows you to 'know' that things outside of your mind exist?
You do realize that you are essentially undercutting your own position here? How can your mental reality create the material and conceptual reality and still be dependent on it?
As to your questions: Past our perceptions we have our conceptions. Outside our consciousness, exists everything other than ourselves. The realization that their existence is not affected by and therefore not dependent upon our mind.
(April 17, 2012 at 12:08 pm)Perhaps Wrote: You are viewing the supposition from the reverse. When the mind ceases, so to do our perceptions of the material world - including the brain. We perceive the brain ceasing as the end of the mind, but it is the mind ceasing which causes an end to the brain's perceived existence.
Do you not see understand the difference between the material world and our perception of it? Your brain is not the perception of material world - it is the material world. And the material world does not depend upon our perception of it. We perceive the brain as failing, because the brain is actually failing.
Besides, you are reversing cause and effect here. It would be the cessation of the brain that causes cessation of your mind. A good demonstration of this would be that people in coma, people who are unconscious or people with brain injury lose their perceptual and conceptual awareness - thereby indicating cessation of mind - but their brains continue to function.
(April 17, 2012 at 4:53 am)genkaus Wrote: What is the material world?
World that is composed of matter and exists independently of anyone's perception of it but can be perceived given the right mechanism for perception.
(April 17, 2012 at 4:53 am)genkaus Wrote: What is true?
That which corresponds to reality.
(April 17, 2012 at 4:53 am)genkaus Wrote: We are confined by our perception; we are limited by our awareness. The true material world is simply what you perceive your world to be. Once again, the material world does exist, but as for how closely our perceptions of that world are to being what it truly looks like - we can never know. An objective material world (not like the one you believe you are experiencing) would explain the same perceptions, while the mind accounts for the differing perceptions among this objectiveness.
Wrong. The difference in mechanism of perception would explain the differing perceptions much better. A study of these differences would also explain that the true material world is independent of our perception of it and how well does our perception relate the the true material world.
(April 17, 2012 at 4:53 am)genkaus Wrote: Simply stated, the idea that we are all experiencing a hard surface right now would be a good inclination towards believing that a hard surface is a part of the objective material world (that our perception is close to what the actual material world looks like). The idea that you see 'red' when I see 'blue' reinforces that color is merely a perception created by the mind and is not innate within the 'true' material world.
No, if you see blue and I see red, then means either one or both of us have something wrong with the mechanism of perception, i.e. our eyes.
The color of an object depends upon the wavelength of light reflected by its surface. The color perceived depends upon our eyes, which, again depends upon the wavelength. If I see red and you see blue, then there is something wrong with atleast one of us. The fact that color-blindness is a known condition is proof of that.
(April 17, 2012 at 4:53 am)genkaus Wrote: How do they exist if there is nothing to acknowledge their existence? What is existence outside of perception?
What does existence have to do with perception? We can perceive the Halley's comet only once every 76 years - do you think that it stops existing for the other 75? On the other hand, we've never perceived the other side of the moon. Does that mean that the moon doesn't have an other side?