RE: Milo Yiannopoulos; the man twitter banned got a book deal. Currently #2 on Amazon.
December 30, 2016 at 12:43 pm
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2016 at 12:55 pm by TheRealJoeFish.)
(December 30, 2016 at 12:21 pm)abaris Wrote:(December 30, 2016 at 9:30 am)Tonus Wrote: It's what I think of as the "Howard Stern effect."
The difference being that it's always tongue in cheek with Stern. Others take themselves far to seriously and simply end up being massive assholes.
This is another problem with a lot of groups, but with the alt-right particularly: their style of, ahem, "discourse" allows them to maintain a sort of superposition of sincerity and facetiousness. When it suits them (i.e. when it's monetarily or socially preferable) they say "of course I think muslims are sub-human, and Leslie Jones is a gorilla" but then when called out on it (i.e. if it threatens their income or social standing) they say "of course I don't really believe those things, I'm just saying it to show how hypocritical/thin-skinned/pathetic those SJWs are!" So far it's been impossible, to extend the physics metaphor, to collapse this superposition on any meaningful scale, because of what I noted in my last post on this thread - you can find 100,000 people who "actually believe" what they say and you can find 100,000 people who "don't really believe" what they say, and if you say "the alt-right is just a bunch of trolls" the first group of 100,000 gets mad at you and spams you and such and if you say "the alt-right is racist" the second group of 100,000 gets mad at you and spams you and such.
(December 30, 2016 at 12:37 pm)Regina Wrote:(December 30, 2016 at 12:33 pm)CanOfMountainDew Wrote: Is he? Can you provide a citation for that? Also, if he isn't a self-hating gay, what exactly does it mean? It must mean something to be gay if being a self-hating gay means 'less.'
Yeah I raised my eyebrows at that too. This is a guy who openly makes reference to being gay non-stop* and has a very flamboyant persona, I don't see any self-hatred there at all.
*Which is a point I don't understand about him actually. Again it's something he's hypocritical about, on one hand he claims to hate all indentity politics and then on the other he near constantly makes reference to being gay, when it suits his argument or gives him status as a "minority" speaker.
Milo has stated, in an article titled "Why I'll Probably Never be a Parent": "I don’t hate myself and I don’t hate my sexuality. (Granted, I have a complicated relationship with the latter.) Nor do I hate other gay men. (Where would fat girls be without them?) But if my beliefs about raising kids get me branded a homophobic homo… well, so be it." The beliefs he's referring to are that no sane person would ever choose to be gay, and that he would never raise a child in a gay household because it could even slightly influence the child to be gay, because "Who wouldn’t want to protect a child from a path that leads to such destructive self-loathing? …"
I don't think this is an utterly ridiculous stance (although I think he's being silly/short-sighted), although it was written back in 2011, back when he was saying that trolls should be better controlled online and that people worrying about things like video games were petty manchildren. That is to say, back before he realized that saying things he doesn't actually believe in the most inflammatory manner possible could get him a ton of money.
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