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Request from a Christian.
RE: Request from a Christian.
(January 2, 2017 at 12:07 pm)Dragonspride1995 Wrote:
(January 2, 2017 at 11:59 am)Stimbo Wrote: Besides all of which, we seem to have deviated widely from testimonies of xtian ill-treatment of atheists for the purpose of education, to defending such behaviour.


yes we have.

So would it surprise you if anyone told you that this was a naive idea from the beginning? That's why I kept pressing you for what the whole point of your book was. A five-year-old could see that religion is leading people to failures as human beings, and we non-theists see it more clearly than almost any theist, so we don't need a book like this (especially if we're the ones giving testimony to fill it), and if your target audience are the kinds of Christians you describe, then they think they're right and you're wrong, or they'll use their projection complex to say "Oh, this isn't talking about me" even if it very obviously is saying they're failures as followers of their mass murdering sociopathic sadist. So if you weren't intending on proposing a means of saving or reforming the faith, or advocating its outright abandonment, there is zero reason to do what you're proposing and, I repeat, no publisher is going to want to touch that with a fifty-foot pole.

I normally admire idealism, but without the benefit of a rational outlook, there's nothing to respect in that. Just like in religion.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - December 31, 2016 at 5:01 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 31, 2016 at 5:20 am
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by account_inactive - December 31, 2016 at 6:23 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by downbeatplumb - December 31, 2016 at 5:22 am
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by chimp3 - December 31, 2016 at 7:49 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 31, 2016 at 8:01 am
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by brewer - December 31, 2016 at 9:53 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Jesster - December 31, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by ignoramus - December 31, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - December 31, 2016 at 11:14 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Alex K - December 31, 2016 at 11:22 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by AFTT47 - January 2, 2017 at 1:44 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by chimp3 - December 31, 2016 at 11:33 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Cyberman - December 31, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Cyberman - December 31, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Jesster - December 31, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Whateverist - December 31, 2016 at 12:11 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Catholic_Lady - December 31, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by chimp3 - December 31, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Brian37 - December 31, 2016 at 12:47 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Cyberman - January 1, 2017 at 2:57 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Macoleco - December 31, 2016 at 3:26 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Alex K - December 31, 2016 at 4:48 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 6:35 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Alex K - January 1, 2017 at 6:39 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by downbeatplumb - January 1, 2017 at 7:33 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Joods - January 1, 2017 at 9:42 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Mystical - January 1, 2017 at 12:02 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 12:28 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Mr Greene - January 1, 2017 at 1:24 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Whateverist - January 1, 2017 at 1:28 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by GUBU - January 5, 2017 at 6:10 am
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Brian37 - January 1, 2017 at 1:51 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Catholic_Lady - January 1, 2017 at 4:49 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Alex K - December 31, 2016 at 6:49 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Catholic_Lady - December 31, 2016 at 6:53 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by robvalue - December 31, 2016 at 9:00 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Brian37 - December 31, 2016 at 9:19 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 6:40 am
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by robvalue - December 31, 2016 at 9:31 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Mystical - December 31, 2016 at 11:02 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 5:57 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by chimp3 - January 1, 2017 at 7:35 am
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 8:54 am
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 9:45 am
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 10:04 am
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Brian37 - January 2, 2017 at 7:31 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 5:19 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Catholic_Lady - January 1, 2017 at 5:29 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 5:36 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Cyberman - January 1, 2017 at 5:55 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 6:04 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Rhondazvous - January 1, 2017 at 6:41 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Catholic_Lady - January 1, 2017 at 6:26 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Catholic_Lady - January 1, 2017 at 6:49 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by chimp3 - January 1, 2017 at 6:59 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by GUBU - January 5, 2017 at 8:21 am
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Cyberman - January 1, 2017 at 5:10 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Catholic_Lady - January 1, 2017 at 5:03 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Astonished - January 1, 2017 at 4:50 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Rhondazvous - January 1, 2017 at 7:55 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 7:57 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 1:07 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 3:11 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 2:12 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 7:05 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 7:18 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 7:36 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Mr Greene - January 1, 2017 at 7:41 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 1, 2017 at 7:45 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 2, 2017 at 11:33 am
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Cyberman - January 2, 2017 at 11:54 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Cyberman - January 2, 2017 at 11:59 am
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 2, 2017 at 12:07 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Dragonspride1995 - January 2, 2017 at 10:54 pm
RE: Request from a Christian. - by Brian37 - January 2, 2017 at 11:20 pm
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RE: Request from a Christian. - by Cyberman - January 2, 2017 at 8:52 pm
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