(January 13, 2017 at 11:53 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(January 13, 2017 at 8:22 am)A Theist Wrote: Out of curiosity, if you were called upon to plead for the lives of the likes of Ted Bundy, Dylan Roof, Timothy McVeigh, John Wayne Gacy, etc...at their trials, what evidence would you give, or what would you say to convince a courtroom that their lives should be spared?
Well, since it seems most people don't believe in the old "life is sacred" idea, I'd say there is 0 advantage to getting them killed. Keep them in maximum security for life and try to learn from them so we can better understand these types of minds for the sake of identifying and preventing them in the future.
Who are you talking about CL?
No we don't think life is sacred in a magical old mythological context. But we most certainly DO value human rights. I cant see how you can agree with atheists then backhandedly make a ignorant comment like that. You are right, but for the wrong reasons.
There is no value in the death penalty we agree. But you don't need an old book of myth of any label to understand that. There are believers who are pro choice, but also ignore when the right screams about abortion, which really isn't a pro life argument, but a pro birth argument, while at the same time ignore that our biggest ally in the east Israel is staunchly pro choice. Funny how our right wingers never call for us to go to war with them. I don't want to but it would seem that if one is against abortion, then logic would dictate that if it is considered genocide, logic would dictate you try to stop that genocide in order to be consistent with the logic.
This disagreement between you and another theist demonstrates the problem in all religions. You both have the same umbrella but view the same god and same book differently. It also addresses the horrible claim that this alleged god you both believe in didn't give you a manual for life that didn't cause so much confusion. Ironically both of you would be open and do see the divisions that are even far worse in the middle east between Sunnis and Shiites whom both also have the same god and use the same Koran.
The death penalty is immoral because it is merely an act of revenge on top of costing tax payers far more. Not because God or Allah or Yahweh written as claims in antiquity said so. Revenge is also the attitude of Po Pot and Kim Jong Un, simply replacing worship of a god, with worship of the state.
