Dylann Roof sentenced to death

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I don't see it as revenge. You can't get revenge for those kinds of things. What would you do? You can't kill a bunch of people the killer cares about. Most of the time, there are no such people. I see it as taking out the trash. Again, I'm only talking about situations where there is no doubt and the crimes are incredibly heinous. (Don't bother denying the fact that such cases exist. If we thought it was impossible to have no doubt of a person's guilt, we couldn't put anyone in jail ever.)

View it as you wish, but it still does nothing long term but satisfy your emotions. Just from a taxpayer standpoint it is not cost effective, nor is it a deterrent. 

The same could be said of your stance.

And again, this isn't about one case, beyond a reasonable doubt I have no problem with.

Actually, these rare few cases are exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not arguing that the state only executes in those cases. I'm not arguing there should be no reform. Shit, I'm not even arguing that they should be executed. We actually agree. You've said exactly how I feel. In those cases, beyond any doubt, reasonable or otherwise, I have no problem with execution. That is the sum total of my position.

But our reality is a long term climate, not simply about one case. It is much more humane long term to reverse a wrongful conviction than to risk a mob rule climate.

None of these things are what I'm debating about. Therefore, I'll save us both time by ending my response here.

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I understand that, but you might be overestimating our justice system if you think that any other place can guarantee any greater quality of evidence, or that it couldn't happen anywhere (ofc, it already has happened elsewhere, all over elsewhere), that you....or me, or anyone else - even given the "right" evidence...couldn't get the conviction wrong.

I'm not overestimating anything. I'm presenting what I think would be ideal situations for the use of the death penalty. We mostly agree. The system fucks up. When and where there is a time when there is absolutely no question about a person's guilt, I'm perfectly fine with the state offing a guy or gal. It's that simple.    

There's no need to argue for people like roof to oppose the death penalty.  Making it about him is to trivialize rather than address the issue, imo.

This is a thread about Roof.