RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
January 13, 2017 at 3:23 pm
(This post was last modified: January 13, 2017 at 3:26 pm by Shell B.)
(January 13, 2017 at 3:13 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(January 13, 2017 at 12:13 pm)Shell B Wrote: (Don't bother denying the fact that such cases exist. If we thought it was impossible to have no doubt of a person's guilt, we couldn't put anyone in jail ever.)
The standard is beyond a reasonable doubt here in America, not airtight, as you seem to imply here.
We can and do convict people on less-than-perfect evidence, and occasionally (surprise!) those convictions turn out to be wrong.
Why is no one reading my posts and only responding to snippets of one or the other?
I did not ever say that our system only hands out the death penalty in airtight cases. I didn't imply it. Not even a little.
Yes, I know we convict people on less than perfect evidence. I never said or implied otherwise.
Let me make this clearer for you folk. I'm talking about hypothetical situations that I feel would make the death penalty okay (it's a few pages back, you might have missed it). You not thinking they exist or thinking the government screws up too much is not at all relevant to what I'm saying. I'm not saying the government does the death penalty real good. I'm not saying the government does the death penalty okay. I'm not saying it's okay to trade innocent lives for the deaths of a few monsters. None of that has happened, so debate it with someone who actually thinks that. Otherwise, I have to wade through responses that literally have nothing to do with my argument.
(January 13, 2017 at 3:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Pretty sure I;m arguing against the death penalty. / shrugs
Yes, you're arguing against the death penalty in its current state. I haven't argued for it, so this is a time suck.
Quote:Ideally, if we're talking about writing decent laws, leaving them wide open to appeals that would let those hypothetically 100% guilty folks free are to be avoided.
It wouldn't leave them free. Again, talking about criteria for the sentence, not the crime. These people would still be in jail.
Quote:We're in the same boat on that last bit, but the majority of my objection to the dp has nothing to do with those rightfully or wrongly executed.
It must not be you who keeps bringing up the idea that the dp is bad because innocent people die because of it.
