Dylann Roof sentenced to death

[The Grand Nudger]

I also object to its current state, so we're on the same page.

As we've been for years,  on that count, iirc.  

I don't think it's silly to have a hypothetical picture of what things could look like if people took their heads out of their asses. We absolutely should expect more of the real world than what it's conjuring up at present.

I didn't say it was silly to have a hypothetical picture of what it would look like if people took their heads out of their asses.  I'm suggesting that it's silly to expect that we could achieve those proposed improvements even if people -did- take their heads out of their asses.  We've already taken ur heads out of our asses, significantly, on this issue, this si already the improved, streamlined version of what we had.  I implied that making the dp cheaper and (at least relatively) flawless, simulataneously, is not possible...and that even if it were, it still doesn't address objections not related to those two issues, or answer the most basic objection of all.  Why do it in the first place, regardless of the price or surety of guilt.  

I find that compelling. I'm old school like that. Still, you can create limits while giving them some power. Obviously, that's not something that's achievable now, but I see no reason not to imagine it.

Power over life and death cannot be doled out by degree.  They can either kill you, or they can't.  You are either dead, or alive.  That's how I approach it, anyway.  

I've compartmentalized it because that's the absolute and only fraction of this issue where I'm okay with the death penalty. Why wouldn't I compartmentalize it? I try not to speak in generalities. If I said I was against the death penalty, I'd be lying. If I said I was for it, I'd also be lying. It is not simple. It is an issue with a lot of compartments. That happens to be the one I was interested in talking about in my first post in this thread.

I was actually speaking more of you compartmentalizing it as "them" killing somebody.  Rather than "us", or "me".  To me, that sems to be central to your acceptance of it, as limited as it is.  I don't do it that way, I don't compartmentalize it that way.  When the state, my state, kills someone...I feel deeply implicated.  To me, it's inescapable...and that might be because I've been that executioner or that I have a quixotically developed sense of ownership of the state.  / shrugs.  

I'd chit-chat about this more, but I don't think we necessarily disagree. I just think we find different points on the issue the more pertinent. There are maybe five-ten cases out of who knows many a decade that we wouldn't agree on. In the big picture, generally, you might say, we're not at odds, for lack of a better term.

Probably not, but I like having even minor disagreements with you.  It doesn;t make me hear this sucking sound where my faith uin humanity used to be like the other 90% of my interactions on this board do.